Krishna Tiwari: Well law of gravitation . . . anything we know about gravity did not come from Vedas.
Prabhupāda: Not from Veda, but it comes from Mr. Newton.
Krishna Tiwari: Yes, that what I was saying . . .
Prabhupāda: So therefore you take the laws of gravitation from Mr. Newton.
Krishna Tiwari: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So there is an authority.
Krishna Tiwari: Well, Newton was wrong in many places, although nobody is authority. Things change. I don't . . .
Prabhupāda: That means you don't accept any authority.
Krishna Tiwari: No, I don't, because once you accept an authority, you are just blindly following something which may be right, which may be absolutely wrong. But you will never find it out whether it was right or wrong. So blind faith in authority is the most mistaken path a person can ever take.
Prabhupāda: Not blind faith. We don't say authority blind faith. Authority, that's not blind faith.
Krishna Tiwari: And just . . .
Prabhupāda: Now, just . . . suppose, to know your father, the authority is your mother. The mother says: "Here is your father." You follow blindly.
Krishna Tiwari: No.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Krishna Tiwari: No. It is a different thing.
Prabhupāda: Your mother may say wrong.
Krishna Tiwari: Oh, well, this is, this kind of examples are very . . .
Prabhupāda: Why not this kind of example?
Krishna Tiwari: They're unreal.
Prabhupāda: Not unreal. The authority means you have to follow blindly. That is authority. That is my point.
Krishna Tiwari: No, no. You believe something. You, you . . .
Prabhupāda: Believe, because it is fact.
Krishna Tiwari: You, whenever you use word "follow," "authority," you are talking of subjugation.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Yes! Yes!
Krishna Tiwari: And subjugation is different than faith and belief.