Prabhupāda: Vaiśyas also. Śūdras also.
Satsvarūpa: You were saying that last night in your talk.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone is required. But he must be a Vaiṣṇava. That's all. Actually none of us belong to any group. They are servant of Kṛṣṇa, and for Kṛṣṇa's sake he can act as a brāhmaṇa, as a kṣatriya, as a vaiśya or a śūdra. It doesn't matter. It is all Kṛṣṇa's service. Just like he is giving massage. That does not mean he's a śūdra. This is actual śūdra's business, servant. But he's not a śūdra. Similarly, we can act for Kṛṣṇa in any position. We do not belong to this material occupation or platform. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate (BG 14.26). This is to be dwelled(?) on. He's above all this nonsense. Brahma-bhūyāya means liberated. Jīvan-mukta sa ucyate. Jīvan-mukta means he may act in this life as a kṣatriya, brāhmaṇa, śūdra—it doesn't matter—but he's liberated. He's not going to take birth again. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti (BG 4.9). A śūdra cannot get that position. So try to understand our philosophy thoroughly and distribute it. Janma sārthaka kari' kara paropakāra (CC Adi 9.41). At least nobody can defeat our philosophy in the whole world. That position we have. (pause)
Rāmeśvara: You say that Kṛṣṇa is the same, the devotee is the same and the business of Kṛṣṇa is the same. So . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Advaya-jñāna.
Rāmeśvara: When Kṛṣṇa was here, He was making arrangements for the Pāṇḍavas to rule the kingdom because they were devotees. So that same business is . . .
Prabhupāda: That is the whole scheme of Kurukṣetra fight—"Wipe out these rascals." Kṛṣṇa was not interested to rule over, but He took the guidance—"Yes, I'll guide you." That's all. What Kṛṣṇa will do with the kingdom? Rāmacandra, He finished Rāvaṇa's whole family, but He has no interest to rule over the . . . he installed Vibhīṣaṇa—"You rule over." That's all. Why Kṛṣṇa should be interested in this ruling? He's the ruler of the whole situation.
Rāmeśvara: But it helps all the citizens if the devotees are ruling the kingdom.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. That is wanted. Therefore, if we become strong, we shall take over charge of government. It is not that we are entering into politics. We must! That is also one of the item of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. People are misguided. Śoce tato vimukha-cetasa (SB 7.9.43). They are being induced to remain in ignorance. Therefore we want, make our plan. Śoce: "I am thinking very seriously how to save them." Prahlāda Mahārāja says. That is Vaiṣṇava's business. Para-duḥkha-duḥkhi. "They are suffering." That is Vaiṣṇava, real Vaiṣṇava, not that "Now I am realized soul, sit down and . . ." That is also good, but better business is to think for others. That is stated in the Bhāgavad . . . Ya idaṁ paramaṁ guhyaṁ mad-bhakteṣu . . . (BG 18.68), na ca tasmād. If you want to be really very dear to Kṛṣṇa, you must preach this philosophy vigorously, not that, "I have got it. Who is going to take so much botheration? Let me sit down." Kṛṣṇa . . . who can be better devotee than Arjuna? And why did he . . . he was, rather, avoiding the botheration. Kṛṣṇa said, "No. You must take the botheration." He chastised him, kutas tva kaśmalam idaṁ viṣame (BG 2.2): "Rascal, what is this? You must take. You have to take this botheration." On this principle, at the age of seventy years, I took all the botheration—"All right." The other friends were thinking that, "This man is going to die, and he is going to preach." (laughing) They said like that. And "All right, I shall die. I shall die for Kṛṣṇa's cause." So we have to face so many problems, botherations. That is natural. We should not be afraid of this.