Prabhupāda: No, we can discuss some philosophers; whether it is necessary . . . (indistinct) . . . but if you, if you think that all these advertised philosophers should be cut, therefore I . . . I am not.
Hayagrīva: Well this, erm, B. F. Skinner, Śyāmasundara began him.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Hayagrīva: Some people thought he's . . . think he's important. I, I personally don't. That's my personal opinion on . . . he's a behaviorist, and he tried to set up a, a community called . . . he wrote a book called Walden Two, and it became a very popular book. When communities were being set up like New Vṛindaban, in 1968, this book became popular. And it was, uh . . . I don't think much of his philosophy, but he's a behaviorist. He believes that if you can control . . . you can control people by controlling the environment in which they live.
Hari Śauri: That's the same as Marx's philosophy.
Hayagrīva: Mmm-hmm. And, er . . .
Prabhupāda: That is everyone's philosophy. Everyone wants to make a group.
Hari Śauri: That's what you were saying this morning. They want to control nature rather than control their own natures.
Hayagrīva: He felt first you control the environment, then you can control man, instead of the other way. Do you want to deal with all of these?
Prabhupāda: I do not know.
Hayagrīva: Uh-huh. Well, in Los Angeles they gave me a big, big list of all these people. They say all these people are important. And I've deleted a number of them, and wound up with the number thirty-eight, total. And we have about . . . oh, I figure we'd finish them all by the time you leave Los Angeles. If I can meet with you daily in Los Angeles, then we could finish them. Otherwise, some could be deleted.
Prabhupāda: No. They can be shortly discussed.
Hayagrīva: Mmm-hmm.
Prabhupāda: Essential point.