Prabhupāda: A 125-years-old and looking like a young man of twenty years old, how it is possible in a material body?
Dr. Patel: So all the avatāras of God, they come with a controlling . . .
Prabhupāda: Ātma-māyā.
Dr. Patel: Controlling.
Prabhupāda: Sambhavāmy ātma-māyayā (BG 4.6). They do not come under the control of this mahāmāyā. They have got their own spiritual potency. Āhlādinī-śakti. Ātmanaṁ sṛjāmy aham. Ātmanam: "Myself, I advent." How it can be like ordinary man? We are . . . Karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa (SB 3.31.1). We get body. But He says . . .
Dr. Patel: And it is by His own free will.
Prabhupāda: Yes, as He likes. He likes to appear as fish, that's all. Not that . . . ordinary fish, it is forced to take the body of a fish.
Dr. Patel: We are controlled by māyā and its actions . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: . . . and take this body for the fulfillment of māyā.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: He takes the body to fulfill His mission.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the way. That is a real understanding of Kṛṣṇa. Hare Kṛṣṇa. As soon as the Māyāvādī thinks that Kṛṣṇa also accepts a material body . . . therefore they are called Māyāvādī. They are called Māyāvādī because they think Kṛṣṇa's body is also māyā. Therefore they are known as Māyāvādīs.
Dr. Patel: He takes birth in divya-vigraha.