Prabhupāda: Yes, you have to take sanction. You have to take sanction because Kṛṣṇa is the supreme controller. If you request repeatedly, "Kṛṣṇa, I want to steal something," so Kṛṣṇa will say, "No, no, don't do it. It is not good." But . . .
Mrs. Sahani: But bhakti . . .
Prabhupāda: It is not bhakti, it is a common affair. You want to do some . . . just like a thief. A thief steals very privately. Why? Because Kṛṣṇa says: "Don't do it." But he does, still. So Kṛṣṇa says always good things, but you don't care for it.
Mr. Sahani: But when, as said, that no leaf moves without the intentions of Kṛṣṇa, what does that thief . . .
Prabhupāda: Without hearing the good advice of Kṛṣṇa, he does it at his risk. That's all. He'll be arrested, he'll be put into jail. That's all. He'll suffer. But Kṛṣṇa gives him good counsel, "Don't do it." Mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭo mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca (BG 15.15). He's situated in every heart, but if you persist to do something, He gives, "All right, do at your risk. What can I do?" You suffer. That independence you have got. Just like State. State does not advise anyone that, "You become a criminal." But when he becomes criminal, then he's put into jail. State says: "Everyone go to the university, be educated." But if you make your choice, go to the prison house, you can make your choice. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa says everyone, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65). But if you make your choice to go to hell, what can He do?
Mrs. Sahani: This means that we have the freedom.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, you have got little freedom. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja: "You do it." He does not force. He can force you. He's all-powerful. But He does not force. He gives you the chance, "Do it, you'll be happy." If you don't do it, that is your choice. Yathecchasi tathā kuru (BG 18.63). Eh? (aside:) Find out this verse, yathecchasi tathā kuru. Kṛṣṇa gives Arjuna the freedom, "Now I have given you all instruction, now make your choice." Yathecchasi tathā kuru. "Whatever you like, you do."