Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. And ask them to read Bhagavad-gītā. They will get all information.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The movie should be given out with also a copy of Bhagavad-gītā along with it. To be a part of the package.
Prabhupāda: You can give in this . . . (indistinct) . . . Bhagavad-gītā, Sanskrit, dehino 'smin yathā dehe (BG 2.13). Or the English translation. You have got that abridged edition?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, we don't have a copy of it here.
Prabhupāda: How is that you don't have copy? Find out . . . (indistinct comments by Tamāla Kṛṣṇa)
Yadubara: To show that on the film? At the end?
Prabhupāda: It is best to impress them, "You read this book; you get all information."
Yadubara: It's a little bit difficult to change the film.
Prabhupāda: No. That I am suggesting. If it is difficult, that is another thing. But this should be.
Yadubara: It should be there.
Prabhupāda: And actually, there is evidence.
Yadubara: What about reincarnation, Śrīla Prabhupāda? What about transmigration of the soul? 'Cause we were thinking to do that for a next film, because it seems like a very natural thing.
Prabhupāda: Transmigration, how it can be shown? The mind, intelligence and ego you cannot see. But you will have to accept there is mind.
Yadubara: We have not really worked out any details.
Prabhupāda: Details, you cannot show it. It is so fine. Just like here is the sky, but you cannot see it. The mind is finer than the sky. The air is sky. (claps) That is sky. Where is the proof? (claps) That you cannot see. Śabda, sound. Sound is the sign of presence of sky. But you cannot see it. But it is there. (claps) This is the proof.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It can be suggested only.
Prabhupāda: That's all. Therefore śruti, which is beyond the sense perception, you have to hear it from authorities. That is knowledge. Who has seen it? These rascals . . . who has seen it? So grossly educated they are. "Everything can be seen." Why everything? The same example we give. You have not seen your father. You have to hear, "Here is your father." That's all. That is the proof.
Yadubara: Just like in this last film, we suggested that there is a soul in the hand sequence—when the hands were always changing, and the body grows old. So the idea was that there is something that's not changing there. So in film there are certain techniques we can use to suggest, as Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Goswami said, certain ideas.
Prabhupāda: Idea, that idea is given there. Just like you cannot see the flavor, but still, you are smelling, some flavor is nice. In the air, it is rose flavor, it is passing. You cannot see what is that flavor and how it is being carried, but you can smell. Similarly, the soul is being carried by the mind, ego and intelligence. You cannot see it, but you have to understand by hearing from the authorities like Kṛṣṇa. Itas tu viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parām, jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho (BG 7.5). Beyond this material things, there is another prakṛti. That is the . . . that does not die. Na jāyate na mriyate (Bg. 2.20). And that is being carried by mind, intelligence and ego. By our gross eyes, we see the body is burnt into ashes, finished. Soul and everything is finished. The atheist will say like that. Bhasmi bhūtasya dehasya tataḥ punar āgamano bhavet. "If the body is already burnt into ashes, who is coming and who are going?" The atheists. Kṛṣṇa does not say. No. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre. So will you accept the atheists or Kṛṣṇa? That is our process. The atheist will say: "It is burnt into ashes. Where, where is soul?" Kṛṣṇa says: "No," na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). "He is not dead. He has gone to another body." Dhīras tatra na muhyati (BG 2.13). Those who are sober, they are not disturbed.
So we have to become sober. These restless rascals, how they will become sober? Suppose a child is restless child, how you can convince him about philosophy? Sober man, cool-headed man, he can be convinced. So this is a childish civilization. This is not sober civilization. There is no full-brain man. All restless dogs and hogs. And they have taken it is first class, dogs and hogs. Actually, they are living dogs and hogs, and they are claiming civilized. There is no difference dogs' and hogs' life and the modern man. The dogs and hogs whole day work. Kaṣṭān kāmān arhate (SB 5.5.1). In London, in New York, early in the morning they will go to the work, put-put-put-put. They could not take rest even at night peacefully. The anxiety is, "If I do not reach early in the factory, I will . .(indistinct) . . . the whole day's salary will be . . ." He is anxious. Sadā samudvigna-dhiyām (SB 7.5.5). Always full of anxieties—asad grahāt—on account of this body. The same principle is being followed by the hogs, "Where is food, where is food?" So where is the difference, the hog civilization? Simply by dressing. If you dress a hog, he becomes human being? So they are after this dress. Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni. They do not know what is his civilization, what is life—nothing. And when you go to preach, "Ah, we have to take from India knowledge, a poverty-stricken?" They do not know this is not that India, poverty-stricken. It is full of knowledge India, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then there is no poverty. Those who have left this knowledge, they are poverty-stricken. We are not poverty-stricken.
Yadubara: I would like to show the origins of Kṛṣṇa consciousness in India in the next film.
Prabhupāda: Origin? There is no origin. It is always there. Origin is Kṛṣṇa. He has always been. Aham evāsam agre, the Bhāgavata śloka. Where is that śloka, aham eva āsam agre? First part? Where is that Gītā-bhāṣya. You are doing nice. Go on doing like that. Try your best to convince. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu (BG 7.3). Out of many millions of men, one can understand Kṛṣṇa. (pause) So what the lawyer says? What is his name?
Girirāja: Mr. Jethmalani. I said I would come and meet him. I also wanted to show him the movie. Although he said that, "I would prefer to come back here, because it is so nice." Actually, when he was . . . after he washed his hands, he looked out of the balcony, and he said that just from this atmosphere, one can feel a sense of ecstasy.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Those bara, would you like them, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. I have taken two, more than two. I could have taken . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: More. You had a good taste for them.
Prabhupāda: But I did not try it. Very nice.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: As a result of your restricting yourself to only two or three, we each got to taste one. Very palatable.
Prabhupāda: And the nim is very, very good.