Dr. Patel: Arjuna was a very, very great general, the most ideal general of representing the real culture of this country.
Prabhupāda: That is wanted. It doesn't matter. Nanda Mahārāja, a vaiśya. Arjuna is a kṣatriya. And there are many śūdras also. So what is that goat-caṇḍāla. He was a caṇḍāla. But everyone has got the right to become a devotee. That is wanted. (break) . . . tanu-vāṅ-manobhiḥ (SB 10.14.3). Remain in your place, but giving aural reception to the Kṛṣṇa message, you become a devotee. That is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. We don't ask anybody to change. We want to make him transcendental. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate (BG 14.26). (break) Brahma-stuta śruti-kārayan. Now, in the brahma-stuta, śruti-kārayan, brahma-stute, yaṁ brahma, beginning . . . so that is yaṁ brahma. Then simply if you recite, yaṁ brahma . . . you must know who is that yam. And that is being explained by Kṛṣṇa. Here is that yam, Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: Vasudeva, bolo.
Child: (chants verse in Sanskrit)
Prabhupāda: Devakī ānandam.
Dr. Patel: Kṛṣṇaṁ vande jagat guru.
Prabhupāda: Yaṁ brahma-varuṇendra-rudraḥ stunvanti divyaiḥ stavaiḥ (SB 12.13.1). Sometimes the impersonalists argue, "If nobody has seen Him, then where is His form?" But here is. Brahmā, yaṁ brahma. Here is Brahmā is praying. So why you say nobody has seen? Brahmā has seen. Therefore he is offering.