Prabhupāda: But they do not know that where is the defect. Defect is that everyone has got some attraction. Somebody has attraction for his personal self; somebody has got attraction for wife, children, family; then attraction for society. In this way they talk of many things. They have come to attraction of humanity. They are all nonsense. The attraction is for sense gratification under different names only. My attraction for family is not for their benefit. By my sense gratification the family members help me; therefore I am attracted. The wife gives me pleasure; therefore I like wife. The wife also likes husband because husband gives pleasure. Otherwise, there is no attraction. As soon as the husband and wife fails to give pleasure—divorce.
The son goes out. The daughter goes out. So everyone is prone to some attraction. So if you keep them in the material attraction, then you can change the name; the disease will continue. That is the difficulty. You can change the name from this "ism" to that "ism," but every "ism" is material. Mūḍhā nābhijānāti. That is also. . . "The mūḍhā, these rascal, they do not know mām, Me, Kṛṣṇa," param avyayam, "inexhaustible pleasure." Kṛṣṇa is the reservoir of all pleasure. In the Vṛndāvana there is sporting. There is association with young girls, father, mother. Everything is exactly like this. And in any circumstance they are happy. It is not that in Vṛndāvana Kṛṣṇa is a sannyāsī; He cannot see the face of woman. It is not like that. (chuckles) But because it is spiritual, it is all-attractive. There are also the trees, animals, the river, the fruits, the flowers, the father, the mother, the beloved girls, beloved boys, sporting among the cowherd boys, going to the forest, the cows and calves—everything. So that attraction is required.
The Māyāvādī philosophers, they are thinking, "Again attraction like this? So make it zero, no attraction. Become zero." So their philosophy is zero philosophy. That is also no information of the spiritual world. Buddha philosophy and Māyāvāda philosophy, śūnyavādī, nirviśeṣa, without varieties, or zero. Without varieties means zero. So two philosophers. But therefore they invent, "Anything is all right." They invent. After all, they want zeroism. (break)
(on walk) . . . pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ. (break) . . .one increases the attraction for Kṛṣṇa, they will never be happy. (break) . . .simply changing attraction on the material platform under different names, that will be failure. (break) Dr. Wolfe is missing that evolution?
Paramahaṁsa: Dr. Wolfe? Is he missing the evolution?
Prabhupāda: He was speaking biological?
Paramahaṁsa: Ah, I think he was not understanding it so well.
Prabhupāda: His understanding that biological, not our.
Paramahaṁsa: Yeah, he's thinking biological evolution instead of transmigration of the soul. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . go-kharaḥ. Anything evolving on the bodily concept of life, he remains an animal. That is the defect of the Western philosophy.
(break) . . .philosophy, the dog's tail. He is always this way, material way.