Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore change is good.
Prabhupāda: No, you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, that kind of complaint was there.
Prabhupāda: Did you know that?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I heard that, yeah.
Prabhupāda: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...but not now.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become ācārya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all ācārya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The process of purification must be there.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahāprabhu wants that. Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not rubber stamp.
Prabhupāda: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gauḍīya Maṭha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Mahārāja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That word "mess," by that word he meant eating, messing, eating?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Messing, there is a system. Some clerks, they make a small cooperative hotel. In India there are many.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That I see in South India sometimes... In places like hotels I see.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Men who work, they all come...
Prabhupāda: Cooperative effort.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So he called that a joint mess, and he said that some of the disciples were doing that.
Prabhupāda: He knew that. What is the use? Tīrtha Mahārāja's defense was that. "These people..." They were fighting with Tīrtha Mahārāja in the court that "Tīrtha Mahārāja was not good." Tīrtha Mahārāja's only defense was "All right, you want to combine to make a guru. All right, why don't you combine yourself for preaching?"
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was his defense?
Prabhupāda: That "You want to work jointly, so why you do not work jointly? You are jointly working to harass me. Why not preach jointly?"
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was their reply?
Prabhupāda: No reply.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So it was a good defense.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "You have joined together to defeat me. Why don't you preach jointly? What do you want? That I shall also join and we shall jointly preach. Do this. You are divided amongst yourselves, and you have joined together to defeat me." Śrīdhara Mahārāja is the leader.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Of that group.
Prabhupāda: Mādhava Mahārāja also
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Mādhava Mahārāja is.
Prabhupāda: For the last forty years they're fighting in the courts. They indirectly wanted me also to join them. "He has got money. If he joins, then our monetary, financial help will be there." That is their...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīdhara Mahārāja. I remember a letter they wrote you in Los Angeles in 1969. You replied them, "Yes, I will join, but since I have preached in eleven-twelfths of the world, eleven of my men will be representatives, and you can put one."
Prabhupāda: (laughing) Yes. Yes, according to the area, my representatives are there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now there should be all twelve. (Prabhupāda laughs)
Prabhupāda: Another Godbrother, he asked me fifty thousand rupees to maintain his temple.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How much?
Prabhupāda: Fifty thousand. So I said, "Yes, I can give you fifty thousand, but this is mleccha money. You'll be polluted. Best thing is that give. We can maintain. I'll immediately deposit fifty thousand." He has stopped. (laughs) "We are mlecchas. I am the leader of the mlecchas, so my money will pollute you. But if you are feeling difficulty, you hand over the temple to us, and on condition I immediately deposit fifty thousand in the name of the temple."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then he was not interested. Suddenly his problems were solved. He didn't take the money.
Prabhupāda: Money is not mleccha. But when we offer to eat something, we are mleccha.