Prabhupāda: So people should be trained up.
Director: Hmm. Excuse me, what do you do this thing for? (questions devotees about their tape recording the conversation)
Amogha: It's just for our private use, that all.
Director: Yeah, that's all right. Unofficial capacity. (more indistinct comments about recording)
Prabhupāda: So immediately to solve all the problems like this is to start an institution to train four classes of men. Begin it. But there is no training. How you can expect if you allow a child to smoke from the very beginning and to commit all kinds of sinful activities, how you can expect a nice gentleman when he is grown up? It is not possible. It is possible by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. But somebody may not be induced to come and join. But if you train him from the very beginning, that is possible. Just like we have got our training school, Gurukula, in Dallas, Texas. So from the very beginning, three-years-, four-years-, five-years-old children, they are being trained up. It is not that cent percent men will be trained up spiritually. But even a small percentage ideal men there are in the society, at least people will think, "Oh, here is ideal." But there is no such facility.
We are training, sometimes people laugh, "What is this nonsense?" They criticize. These leaders of the society do not encourage. Yesterday I was talking with one priest. So about illicit sex life he said that "What is the wrong there? It is a great pleasure." Just see. We are training, we are advocating that illicit sex is sinful. Our first condition is that one must give up these four things: illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. This is my first condition before accepting. So they agree and they follow.
Director: Thats what our people do.
Director: Thats what our clients all do.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they will do. If regular institution runs on with all facility. . . We get so many devotees come here. After some time they become dedicated devotees. The method must be there. This is. . . We are increasing; our movement is not decreasing. Just like we have opened a temple here. There was no temple, but we have got a nice temple. In this way all over the world our movement is increasing; it is not decreasing. I came from India alone in New York, 1965. So for one year I had no place to stay, I had no means to eat. I was loitering practically, living in some friend's house and some friend's house. Then gradually it developed, people. I was chanting in a square in New York alone, full three hours. What is that, Tompkinson Square? Yes. You been in New York? So that was my beginning. Then gradually people came. (to devotee:) You were in some club, what is that?
Madhudviṣa: In ranch.
Madhudviṣa: That Morningstar?
Prabhupāda: Ah, ha, ha.
Madhudviṣa: Yes. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: (laughs) That was another brothel.
Madhudviṣa: Hippie farm. You came there.
Prabhupāda: So there, and I went there. The proprietor, the organizer, he took me there. So I think if we. . . if you are serious, let us combinedly open an institution where people should be trained up how to become first class. Children should be trained up. That will make a solution.
Director: Must change society then.
Prabhupāda: No, no change. Let society what it is. We train up some children as we are doing in Dallas, and some men also. Just like we have trained them. It is possible. This is practical example. Just like you were in a den, Morningstar.
Director: Have many of your gentlemen been delinquents in your life?
Director: Yeah. Have you been involved in troubles with the law before you joined?
Madhudviṣa: Oh, many of the devotees.
Director: Have you?
Madhudviṣa: Oh, yes.
Director: You've been in trouble some, have you?
Devotee (1): We have one boy here who spent nine months in Pentridge. (Prison in Victoria, Australia)
Prabhupāda: This is practical. We can stop. Just like they have become saintly person. Everyone. . . India, they are surprised that "How you have made these Europeans, Americans like this?" They are surprised. Because in India the brāhmaṇas and others, they were under impression that "These Western people, they are hopeless. They cannot be any advanced religionist or spiritual." So when they see we have got many temples in India, that they are worshiping Deity and managing everything, chanting, dancing, they are surprised. Many svāmīs came before me, but they could not transform. But it is not I who have transformed, but the method is so nice that they became transformed.