Hṛdayānanda: They think that a gentleman should play golf.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the fashion of the society.
Karandhara: A man is considered very rich if he can play golf every day. The rich men play every day.
Prabhupāda: It is very expensive, golf?
Karandhara: Well, if you play golf, you don't have to work. People who are rich, they don't work. They just play golf all day. (break)
Citraka: . . . newspapers, that now he is follower of Śaṅkarācārya in India. The queen of Greece, she's a follower.
Prabhupāda: Queen of Greece. This cloth is very inconvenient . . . (break) . . . illusion. Accepting this illusion, wherefrom the idea came? Just like in the tailor's window, there are nice, beautiful women or men standing. That is illusion. Actually, that is neither man or woman; it is doll. But wherefrom the idea came of this illusion?
Hṛdayānanda: Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Unless there is a real man, a real woman, how the illusory man and woman is there, doll? Illusion means which is not fact. So the fact must be there—otherwise how the illusion, reflection, comes? Illusion is exemplified by the mirage, water in the desert. So the man is or the animal is running after water, but that is not water. This is illusion. But that does not mean there is no water.
Bali-mardana: Must be water.
Prabhupāda: This is the conclusion. Unless there is real water, how . . .
(aside) You can give around here.
How this illusion of water is there?
Bali-mardana: Does that mean it is not possible to conceive of something that does not exist somewhere?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the real fact.
Karandhara: Some of them say that Brahman creates illusion to forget that He is Brahman. They say that Brahman, the one, creates illusion to forget that He's Brahman. That's His līlā.
Prabhupāda: It is līlā. Then you have to accept that Brahman is a person.