Prabhupāda: So real intelligence means you have to find out where there is no danger. That is real . . . where there is real happiness. In the material world we cannot have happiness.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So without the proper guidance . . .
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Without the proper guidance . . .?
Prabhupāda: Yes, everything requires guidance. You are working in the laboratory under guidance. Similarly, everything requires guidance. Just like these small birds. First of all, they learn with the mother. The mother goes, and they go. The mother come back, they come back. So guidance. Nature's way, guidance. And when they become little habituated, then without mother they can do their business. That guidance is there everywhere.
(break) . . . kaunteya duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam, nāpnuvanti (BG 8.15): "Anyone who reaches Me, he does not come back to this material world full of miseries and temporary life." That means anyone who goes back to home, back to Godhead, there is no misery, there is no temporary life. It must be the opposite. Mām upetya punar janma duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam, nāpnuvanti. Saṁsiddhiṁ paramām. That is highest perfection. Paramām. Saṁsiddhiṁ paramām. Every . . . all this scientific research is going on for perfection.
They say the world is imperfect. That's . . . that is a fact. Imperfect. Imperfect means here you cannot get happiness and cannot live permanently. This is imperfection. That they do not know. That question they set aside. These problem . . . if you say to the scientist, "What you have done for the human society to live eternally in perfect happiness," what is their answer?
Brahmānanda: They do just the opposite. They accelerate the death and they create more problems.
Prabhupāda: That's it. That's it.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They will say that they are trying.
Prabhupāda: That is nonsense. Therefore we kick on your face. (laughter) Therefore we have got the right to kick on your face. (laughter) Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They have now some theories how to prolong life, how to live longer.
Prabhupāda: What is that? Even if you live longer, does it meant that eternal life? That is already there. I'll live for eighty years. Another lives for, say, sixty years. Another lives for hundred years. That is already there. The trees live for thousands of years. Does it mean it is life? A tree lives for . . . in your San Francisco there is a tree which is said seven thousand years. Does it mean it is life, to live for so long duration of life? Then the tree is better than you.
It is also living. Śaṅkarācārya lived for thirty-two years. Lord Caitanya lived for forty-eight years. So what is the use of living for hundred years? Who is more famous than Śaṅkarācārya and Caitanya Mahāprabhu? So you live for a moment. But live worth. Then it is life. And living for seven thousand years standing like the tree, is that life?