Paramahaṁsa: People don't mind so much suffering if they can suffer with their friends.
Prabhupāda: No, no, they are suffering. They are accustomed to so many sufferings. They, they do not mind what is suffering.
Paramahaṁsa: Especially if they can bring their friends along. Then they're very happy.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore it is heaven. Although there is suffering, it is heaven.
Paramahaṁsa: They think that suffering together with your friends is enjoying.
Prabhupāda: No, they . . . just like the ass. He does not know what is happening. Therefore he is agreeing, "All right, load with me any number of heavy weight. I shall carry." He does not know it is suffering. He has accepted the service of the man, bearing so much load, and he is giving little grass. The grass he can take from here, but he thinks that "He is maintaining me." Just see. This is ignorance. Therefore mūḍhā, this word is used. Suffering, suffering, suffering. Material nature is awarding sufferings after suffering. Still, they are not wake up. Who cares for suffering?
(break) . . . stand this philosophy that acceptance of this material body is suffering. They will say, "Oh, I have got this American body. I have got so much opulence. What is suffering?" He'll not believe it. But real philosophy is that acceptance of this material body, whatever it may be, the demigod or dog, it is suffering. Who will understand? Even the demigods, they do not understand.
Jayadharma: They say that "It's natural to die. So everybody has to die. So we just have to accept it."
Prabhupāda: No, the philosophy is very simple. You don't want suffering, but where is a person who has got this material body is not suffering?
Paramahaṁsa: But then they will say, "Where is a person who has not got this material body?"
Prabhupāda: There, that is unknown to them. There is another world where there is no material body. Everyone is in spiritual body. That they do not know. That is ignorance.