Jagadīśa: Anahaṅkāra eva ca, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam (BG 13.9).
Prabhupāda: They are showing some magic. Just like this child was being treated. So he could not check the process of death. Neither it is possible to stop the process of death. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha... Our real unhappiness is this—janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi. So otherwise why there is knowledge? He does not know what is the miserable condition of life. Everyone knows that he is going to die. He has taken birth; he has become old; he has suffered diseases. Then where is the solution? In America this yoga practice is very popular, and they want some solution of the miseries. But here it is said, "Where is the solution?" Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi is there. Where is your solution? You cannot stop death. Then where is the solution? This is cheating, that "I shall make solution of your suffering." But a intelligent man will say, "Can you make a solution of my death, of my old age, of my disease, of my birth?" That is knowledge. But they are poor fellows. They have no knowledge, and they cheat. That's all. Where is solution? Solution is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti (BG 4.9), it is said. Otherwise cheating.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Other is settling for the lesser, and it doesn't take you to the highest.
Prabhupāda: That means they do not know what is solution, what is the process of solution.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Right. Just taking care of the body doesn't take you anywhere. That's the lowest.
Prabhupāda: You may take care as carefully as possible, but it will not exist.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Right. No matter how much you take care of it.
Prabhupāda: That is another foolishness. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam (BG 13.9). Then?
Jagadīśa: Asaktir anabhiṣvaṅgaḥ... (BG 13.10).
Prabhupāda: Asaktir anabhiṣvaṅgaḥ putra-dāra-gṛhādiṣu: completely detached from family life. Anabhiṣvaṅgaḥ: not to associate with so-called society, family, community.
Yogi Amrit Desai: All detachment from everyone.
Prabhupāda: This is all material. Asaktir anabhiṣvaṅgaḥ putra-dāra-gṛhādiṣu. Then?
Jagadīśa: Nityaṁ ca sama-cittatvam iṣṭāniṣṭopapattiṣu.
Prabhupāda: Nityam. One must know that "I am eternal," na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20), "so I must act accordingly." And so far material distress and happiness is concerned, sama-cittatvam.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Sama-cittatvam—under both success and failure.
Prabhupāda: That is immaterial thing. They are superficial.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Right. It's so beautiful to hear that. And I know you mean it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Then?
Jagadīśa: Mayi cānanya-yogena bhaktir avyabhicāriṇī... (BG 13.11).
Prabhupāda: This is possible when it is added with bhakti.
Yogi Amrit Desai: With bhakti. Then only.
Prabhupāda: Mayi ca. Ca means "also." Simply practicing these things will not help. Unless there is bhakti, they'll not agree(?).
Yogi Amrit Desai: It's not complete.
Prabhupāda: No, no. It will not agree(?). One may be artificially tyāgī, but if there is no bhakti he'll fall down. Just like Viśvāmitra was a great yogī, but because there was no bhakti he fell down. He had relationship with Menakā and gave birth to Śakuntalā—such a big yogī. So he fell down, must fall down in māyā, because there is no bhakti. So they have so many cases we see, fall down.