Prabhupāda: Everyone has done this mistake, "I am God." What is the use of the advancement of so-called civilization?
Girirāja: We have to show that this is scientific fact. Otherwise the demons will make propaganda that this is sectarian.
Prabhupāda: "Brainwashed." They say "brainwashed."
Girirāja: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So if he has already talked with Morarji, and he has agreed, then it is great advance.
Girirāja: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Good advance.
Girirāja: He said he would be pleased to meet you. He gave a speech on the television last night.
Prabhupāda: Morarji?
Girirāja: Yes. In Hindi. I couldn't follow all of it, but there was a lot of reference to Gandhi and Gandhi's principles and the . . . molding the character of youth. So I told Mr. Rajda—I was watching with Mr. Rajda in his house—that this is the real way to fulfill all of these goals, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and Mr. Rajda said yes.
Prabhupāda: Then that television speech must be out in the paper.
Girirāja: Yes, it must have been reported this morning. I mean he is representing a return to the more traditional standards of morality and culture of India.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They say that they are going to replace this family planning with yoga. Instead of using artificial means, they're going to teach yoga.
Prabhupāda: To become brahmacārī.
Girirāja: The minister of health and family planning, he said . . . he denied that, "This name should be changed to just Minister of Health, because this type of family planning is against the traditional values of India."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It is totally against it. It's Western, that whole Western conception.
Prabhupāda: How . . . (indistinct)
Girirāja: Actually, a short time ago, everyone knew that these things were wrong, but now they are trying to pretend that it is not wrong. They are trying to forget.
Prabhupāda: They can do, all their political reasons. These rascals, they can do anything. They have no principles, no morality, no standard of morality—nothing. Simply all rogues and thieves. It will be there more and more. All rogues and thieves will take part in politics. That is stated. Dasyu dharmeṇa. Just like dasyu, the burglar, the thieves, they have got organization how to get money. So they, the government, they'll be rogues and thieves. And whenever there is necessity of money, then tax. You work hard; they will tax. Organized burglars, organized guṇḍās. And Indira was doing that, Indira and company. Take the power and club them and do whatever you like. She is a prostitute; her son is a guṇḍā. This is the sample of the . . . but it will be done all round the world. This is a sample of that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: She seems to have been one of the worst leaders so far.
Prabhupāda: She is not leader, she is a prostitute. Woman given freedom means prostitute. Free woman means prostitute. What is this prostitute? She has no fixed-up husband. And free woman means this, daily, new friend.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is Indira's husband? A congressman?
Girirāja: He died at an early age.
Prabhupāda: Hmm? Who?
Girirāja: He was asking what happened to her husband. I said he died. He was a Parsee. As Your Divine Grace had said, that due to the saṅkīrtana movement an auspicious atmosphere is being created all over the world. So is it not possible that at least for the time being things will improve?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Improve. Not for the time being—for ten thousand years.
Girirāja: Yes. Out of 427,000 years I was taking that 10,000 as "for the time being."
Prabhupāda: It is nothing, sport.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, where is the mention of that ten thousand years?
Prabhupāda: That I have heard it. Maybe in the Bhāgavata. (pause) Such a nice thing. Alone in this world I am struggling, and the so-called intelligent persons, they will not come. They have business. Why? If it is actually beneficial to the human society, why I should alone try? I will go on trying so long I'll live. There will be no checking of . . . but what kind of intelligent persons there are? (Govindam record in background) It has been approved by intelligent men like . . . from our section . . . (indistinct) . . . most wretched rogues. They do work. They are not so. They are intelligent. They have rejected all these "Lord" ideas and the . . . because they have sinned, all humbug. Especially in the Western countries, in the Christian world, what is there? It is bogus. I have condemned it. You have seen that book? One Christian boy inquired. Have you got the copy? Bring. (pause) We shall go on playing govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam aham. People may hear or not, we don't mind.