Prabhupāda: What kind of body you are going to accept? There are 8,400,000 varieties of bodies. Is it not? Eh? Do you know that?
Scholar: No, we don't know. (laughs) So many kinds, so many varieties of bodies.
Prabhupāda: There are forms of body in the water, in the land, so many trees, plants, then there are so many insects, reptiles. Then birds, then there are beasts, then there are human being. So there are 8,400,000 forms of body. So here it is indicated that after giving up this body, the soul is going to accept another body. Now the human civilization, is it not duty of the human society to know what kind of body I am going to accept?
Scholar: No, I think it's up to God and karma-kāṇḍa.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Scholar: Up to God and karma-kāṇḍa.
Prabhupāda: So then they must know what is karma-phala. This is the fact. Karmaṇā daiva netreṇa (SB 3.31.1). But they are . . . do not know how to execute karma. They're doing all kinds of sinful activities. So, suppose after this body, on account of my sinful activities, I am going to become a rat or cat or snake or a tree, then what is the use of my so much, how you'd say, jumping over nationalism and this "ism" and that.
If by nature I am going to accept next life the body of a cat and dog, or a tree, then what is the meaning of my this so-called nationalism at the present moment? Is it not the duty of the guardians who are taking care of the people, or their son, to educate human being in such a way that they can get better body? Where is that education? You are darkness; nobody knows what kind of body he's going to accept next life.
Scholar: At least we can start from living a moral life.
Prabhupāda: But they're not living. That we are not living. They are doing all kinds of sinful activities. They are drinking, they are having illicit sex, they're gambling, they're killing animals.