Rāmeśvara: (break) ...numbers of men, big temples, it is all due to our books, to your books. So I was thinking that if one day this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement becomes so powerful that even it is giving instruction to governments, that will also be because of...
Prabhupāda: That is very easy. If you increase the number of your devotees, government hears you(?). That is not very difficult thing. Simply you have to increase our supporters; then the government is there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, although the actual number of initiated devotees is still few, there is a growing, ever-growing number of sympathizers.
Prabhupāda: Supporters, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Tremendous number, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: So you make good supporter, then government is yours.
Rāmeśvara: Then it's all based on selling your books more and more.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Oh, yes.
Rāmeśvara: That is the principal way to increase our supporters and thus deliver the whole world.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When people ask me, "How many members do you have, how many people?" I don't answer any more "Five thousand," or something like that. Now I tell them many millions. Because the thing is when they ask, when you ask someone how many Christians are there in America, of such and such sect, they don't mean priests, they mean also the people who are coming.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So we should give that number, not as five thousand, but as so and so many millions.
Prabhupāda: That I say, when people ask me that how many followers you have got in India.... They're wholesale.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The whole country.
Rāmeśvara: The whole country. Yes.
Hari-śauri: Yes. That man was amazed when on the plane when he asked me, he said, "How many members of your religion are there?" So I said, "Well, in India there are hundreds of millions." He couldn't imagine it.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's what we should say, two million, like that. American, five hundred thousand. Why should we say five thousand?