Guest (5): Why did God create suffering...
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. That I have already explained. When you infect some disease, you suffer. That is your creation.
Guest (5): Why create the wrongdoers?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Because he does not hear Kṛṣṇa. He must be committing mistake. [break]
Mr. Sar: Ajñānenāvṛtaṁ jñānaṁ tena muhyanti jantavaḥ.
Dr. Patel: Muhyanti jantavaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Mr. Sar: You see? Already He has said. Nādatte kasyacit pāpaṁ...
Dr. Patel: Come here.
Mr. Sar: ...na caiva sukṛtaṁ vibhuḥ, ajñānenāvṛtaṁ jñānaṁ tena muhyanti jantavaḥ. So God has neither created sin, nor the merit or puṇya. You see? It is only ajñānenāvṛtaṁ jñāna, because your knowledge is covered with ignorance, tena muhyanti jantavaḥ, that we, we, we play like jantu, insects. [break]
Dr. Patel: Man is also jantu.
Mr. Sar: No, no, we are... [break]
Prabhupāda: ...university does not teach anyone to steal, but he, he becomes a thief. Does it mean the university has taught him to become a thief? So he steals and goes to the jail. This is the position. Svabhāvas tu pravartate.
Mr. Sar: It's only the nature. [break]
Prabhupāda: ...association with the different qualities.
Mr. Sar: That he has taught within, so many adhyāyas, not only one. [break]
Prabhupāda: ...presents you instruction: sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. That's all. If you simply surrender to Kṛṣṇa, then everything finished. Everything is finished.
Mr. Sar: He is (indistinct) nānyaṁ guṇebhyaḥ kartāram...
Dr. Patel: Ah, that... [break] ...ācaret. Then he goes beyond the guṇas.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, yes.