Prabhupāda: (indistinct) Here is your transport. We are trying to send back to home, back to Godhead. This is real transport.
Jayatīrtha: If you're going to travel, you should go to a worthwhile place. There's no reason to waste time.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) the outer space, but they do not know where to go.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: These scientists, they are trying to travel in the outer space, but they do not know where to go.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, that's a fact. Because... They are just wandering in the wild.
Prabhupāda: That's all. (indistinct) beyond the sky there is another sky (indistinct), and we are trying to go there according to the perfect knowledge (indistinct). (break) ...of knowledge is misunderstanding, so how they can get perfect knowledge? If you begin from mistake, misconception, then where is your perfect knowledge?
The beginning is this body. Beyond this body, they have no knowledge. Their rascal knowledge..., this rascal knowledge, how they can help you? Anything, suppose any mathematical calculation, if the beginning is wrong, then how you come to the right conclusion? What do you think?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, when the...
Jayatīrtha: In logic, if the hypothesis is wrong then the conclusion is wrong.
Prabhupāda: The hypothesis is always wrong.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: If the starting point is wrong, then there is nothing...
Prabhupāda: Then there cannot be any perfect knowledge. So the modern so-called scientists, philosophers, their starting point is wrong. Just like a great scientist... Darwin is a scientist?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: He's not a scientist. He's called a naturalist.
Prabhupāda: Naturalist. Anyway, you can call him philosopher. So the basic point is wrong. Starting is wrong. Starting point is mistake and illusion. Therefore the next point is cheating. If you start from wrong conception of life, then if you distribute knowledge, that means cheating.
You do not know; still you are distributing knowledge. But this rascal Darwin, he has no clear idea. He is simply theorizing, speculating, and misleading people. Therefore he is cheating.
So if I cheat you and you cheat me, then how you can expect perfection of life? It is a society of cheating. And that is actually going on. Everyone is thinking, "How I have gorgeous way cheated you." That is politics, diplomacy. If you can cheat your friend very cleverly, then you are supposed to be very big man. Big lawyer means the law is there, but if he can cheat the law, then he is big lawyer.