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| Generally we go to temple, to God, for some, for fulfilling some material desires. So, śāstra says even if you have got material desires, even if you are not śuddha bhakta.. . What to speak of śuddha bhakta , even if you are an enemy of Kṛṣṇa , somehow or other go to Kṛṣṇa . Go to the fire and you'll get warm. That is our propaganda. The Gosvāmīs recommend therefore, yena tena prakāreṇa manaḥ kṛṣṇe niveśayet . Somehow or other you just try to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then everything will be successful. | | Generally we go to temple, to God, for some, for fulfilling some material desires. So, śāstra says even if you have got material desires, even if you are not śuddha bhakta. What to speak of śuddha bhakta , even if you are an enemy of Kṛṣṇa , somehow or other go to Kṛṣṇa . Go to the fire and you'll get warm. That is our propaganda. The Gosvāmīs recommend therefore, yena tena prakāreṇa manaḥ kṛṣṇe niveśayet . Somehow or other you just try to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then everything will be successful. |
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| There is a story in the Bhaktamarg grantha that one paṇḍita was reciting Bhāgavata and he was describing Śyāmasundara. Mother Yaśodā was decorating with all jewels very nicely to go with his cowherd boy friends, with the calves and cows. Śyāmasundara. And in the forest of Vṛndāvana . So, one thief was also hearing that Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam . So he thought it wise, "Why not go to Vṛndāvana and get all these ornaments from these boys? (laughter) They are all boys, so either I can kill them or somehow or other cheat them, get these ornaments." So, that's a long story (indistinct). So, with that spirit he went to Vṛndāvana to find out Śyāmasundara to exploit Him, to take all the ornaments from Him. When he actually went to Vṛndāvana , he was finding out, "Where is Śyāmasundara? Where is Śyāmasundara?" Śyāmasundara came and, "Here I am." So, first of all he was (indistinct), "My dear boy, You give me all these ornaments I will give you nice thing." He said, "No, I cannot give you, my mother will be angry, no." (laughter) In this way then he decided that I shall take forcibly. In this way simply by the association of Śyāmasundara he became a devotee. That is the fact. Dhruva Mahārāja also went to worship Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṇa , to get the kingdom of his father. He was insulted by his stepmother that, "You cannot sit down on the throne, or on the lap of your father, because you are not born from my womb." So he took it very seriously. He went to his mother, "My stepmother insulted me like this." So, his mother said, "My dear boy, yes, it is a fact because you are not born from my..." What it is called co-wifes?
| | Prabhupāda: ". . . in the womb. I'm unfortunate, you are born of my womb. So, so you cannot." Then, "I must have." The boy was very insistent, ''kṣatriya'' boy. "Then Kṛṣṇa helps you, then you can. Otherwise how, you cannot." Then he went to search out Kṛṣṇa in the jungle, and he searched out. When he saw Kṛṣṇa he said, ''svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce'' ([[vanisource:CC Madhya 22.42|CC Madhya 22.42]]), "No more I want it. No more I want it." This is the process. |
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| | :''akāmaḥ sarva-kāmo vā'' |
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| | Even if you have desires, not that ''anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam'' (Brs. 1.1.11), without any material desires . . . generally we go to temple, to God, for some . . . for fulfilling some material desires. So ''śāstra'' says even if you have got material desires, even if you are not ''śuddha bhakta'' . . . what to speak of ''śuddha bhakta'', even if you are an enemy of Kṛṣṇa, some way or other go to Kṛṣṇa. Go to the fire and you'll get warm. That is our propaganda. The Gosvāmīs recommend, therefore, ''yena tena prakāreṇa manaḥ kṛṣṇe niveśayet'': somehow or other you just try to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then everything will be successful. That is our propaganda. |
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| | Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, ''sādhu śāstra kṛpāya''. A ''sādhu'' means devotee. That I was going to explain. A ''sādhu'', there are different kinds of ''sādhus'', but only the devotee, he is ''sādhu''. It is explained by Kṛṣṇa Himself: ''api cet sudurācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk'', ''sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ'' ([[vanisource:BG 9.30 (1972)|BG 9.30]]). He is ''sādhu''. |
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| Even if you have desires, not that anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.11], without any material desires. Generally we go to temple, to God, for some, for fulfilling some material desires. So, śāstra says even if you have got material desires, even if you are not śuddha bhakta.. . What to speak of śuddha bhakta , even if you are an enemy of Kṛṣṇa , somehow or other go to Kṛṣṇa . Go to the fire and you'll get warm. That is our propaganda. The Gosvāmīs recommend therefore, yena tena prakāreṇa manaḥ kṛṣṇe niveśayet . Somehow or other you just try to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then everything will be successful. That is our propaganda. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, sādhu , śāstra , kṛpāya . A sādhu means devotee. That I was going to explain. A sādhu , there are different kinds of sādhus , but only the devotee, he is sādhu . It is explained by Kṛṣṇa himself, api cet sudurācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk , sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [[Vanisource:BG 9.30|BG 9.30]]. He is sādhu . Even if you find some defects in him due to his former habits, but he is simply engaged in Kṛṣṇa 's service, unflinching devotion, he is sādhu . He is sādhu . In spite of some defects. We must admit, even in fire there are some defects. Fire is so pure that anything impure you put into the fire, it becomes pure. Perhaps you know in our Hindu system if a one utensil becomes impure some time, you put it in the fire and it becomes pure. Is it not? Is it not?
| | Even if you find some defects in him due to his former habits, but he is simply engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service, unflinching devotion, he is ''sādhu''. He is ''sādhu'', in spite of some defects. We must admit, even in fire there are some defects. Fire is so pure that anything impure you put into the fire, it becomes pure. Perhaps you know in our Hindu system if a one utensil becomes impure some time, you put it in the fire and it becomes pure. Is it not? Is it not? |
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| Prabhupāda: So, fire is considered to be pure. Therefore any ceremony is done before fire-god. So, Kṛṣṇa says that even fire is so pure, still there are some defect, there is smoke. So, if you want to find out defect, you'll find out in fire also. But that doesn't matter, fire is fire. Similarly, a devotee, an unflinching devotee, without any other desires, who is dedicated to the service of the Lord, he is sādhu . So we have to take shelter of such sādhu . Ādau gurv-āśrayam . And sādhu will instruct you. Not by whims, but through śāstra . He is sādhu . Sādhu will never speak to you anything which is not in the śāstra . Sādhu , śāstra , and guru. And guru is bona fide spiritual master who follows sādhu and śāstra . Who follows his bona fide spiritual master and who follows the instructions of śāstra , he is guru. sādhu-śāstra-guru-vākya, tinete kariyā aikya . Narottama dasa Ṭhākura says that you have to act by accommodating the instruction of sādhu , instruction of śāstra . And you have to distribute. Because Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that these ignorant people who are being defeated repeatedly, such persons, they are being entangled in this materialistic way of life, in this material world. Kṛṣṇa bhuliya jīva . He said, kṛṣṇa bhuli' sei jīva anādi-bahirmukha [[Vanisource:CC Madhya 20.117|CC Madhya 20.117]] . Anyone who has forgotten Kṛṣṇa , he is anādi bahir mukha . He is enamored by this external energy, material world. Just like in Bombay city everyone is working hard, very hard. Their mission is, "How I shall be able to construct a skyscraper building." That's all. Why they are working so hard? Their mission is that I must have a skyscraper house and good apartment and nice wife, nice children and bank balance, then happy. (chuckles) But he does not know how long these things will continue. Ten years, twenty years, fifty years, hundred years, then finished. Your skyscraper building, your nice wife, your apartment, your friends, everything that you have made(?), you do not know where you are going. That you do not know. There is risk. Yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran loke tyajaty [[Vanisource:CC Madhya 20.117|CC Madhya 20.117]], at the time of death everything will be examined. What are you going to be next? You have to accept another body. So that body will be created in this life. Yaṁ yaṁ vāpi and that bodily structure will be formed at the time of your death. Just like if you leave this apartment, you'll have to go another apartment. So you have to select another apartment, good or bad. That will depend on your capacity, how much rent you are able to pay. Then you leave this apartment. Similarly, at the time of death by the superior arrangement, another apartment will be given to you, and immediately that is settled up, you leave this body and enter into that body. Daiva-netreṇa , karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa [[Vanisource:CC Madhya 20.117|CC Madhya 20.117]]. That will be considered by your work. If your works are nice... That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā,
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