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<div class="heading">They become perfect in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Liberated soul means... We are just trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. We are not actually in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are... Just like a diseased person is trying to recover. So one who is recovered, there is no question of his healthy life. We are trying to be healthy, our present position. So we are trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So one who is liberated is nothing but Kṛṣṇa conscious.
<div class="heading">They become perfect in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Liberated soul means... We are just trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. We are not actually in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are... Just like a diseased person is trying to recover. So one who is recovered, there is no question of his healthy life. We are trying to be healthy, our present position. So we are trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So one who is liberated is nothing but Kṛṣṇa conscious. You follow?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.8-12 -- Los Angeles, November 27, 1968|Lecture on BG 2.8-12 -- Los Angeles, November 27, 1968]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Viṣṇujana: Do the liberated souls also seek after this Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Those who have become free...</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: They become perfect in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Liberated soul means... We are just trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. We are not actually in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are... Just like a diseased person is trying to recover. So one who is recovered, there is no question of his healthy life. We are trying to be healthy, our present position. So we are trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So one who is liberated is nothing but Kṛṣṇa conscious. You follow? Yes. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the perfection of life. So we are trying to reach that platform of perfection by regulative principle. But when we are actually on the platform, there is nothing but Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the perfection of life. That is our actual, liberated stage. Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya-kṛṣṇa-dāsa (Cc. Madhya 20.108-109). That is our svarūpa. Svarūpa means actual constitutional position. And mukti, liberation, means to come to that real position. Just like healthy life means to come to the normal life from the diseased stage. That is healthy life and normal life. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness is our normal consciousness. This normal consciousness is now polluted. We have got so many other consciousness. So this is an attempt to get out of all, I mean to say, infected consciousness, come to the real stage of pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness.</p>
 
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Viṣṇujana: Do the liberated souls also seek after this Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Those who have become free . . .
 
Prabhupāda: They become perfect in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Liberated soul means . . . we are just trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. We are not actually in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are . . . just like a diseased person is trying to recover. So one who is recovered, there is no question of his healthy life. We are trying to be healthy, our present position. So we are trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So one who is liberated he is nothing but Kṛṣṇa conscious. You follow? Yes.  
 
Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the perfection of life. So we are trying to reach that platform of perfection by regulative principle. But when we are actually on the platform, there is nothing but Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the perfection of life. That is our actual, liberated stage. ''Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya-kṛṣṇa-dāsa'' ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 20.108-109|CC Madhya 20.108]]). That is our ''svarūpa''. ''Svarūpa'' means actual constitutional position. And ''mukti'', liberation, means to come to that real position. Just like healthy life means to come to the normal life from the diseased stage. That is healthy life and normal life.  
 
So Kṛṣṇa consciousness is our normal consciousness. This normal consciousness is now polluted. We have got so many other consciousness. So this is an attempt to get out of all, I mean to say, infected consciousness, come to the real stage of pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
 
One question. No more. Next day.
 
Yes?
 
Devotee: In ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' you have said that . . . it's stated that Vyāsadeva was afraid when Sūta Gosvāmī was born that he would leave home because he was already a liberated soul.
 
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
 
Devotee: It says in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' that Vyāsadeva was afraid that Sūta Gosvāmī when he was born would leave home because he was already a liberated soul.
 
Prabhupāda: Yes.
 
Devotee: But he was attracted to Kṛṣṇa's pastimes.
 
Prabhupāda: Yes.
 
Devotee:  So what . . .?
 
Prabhupāda: That is the sign of liberated soul. Because to become attracted by Kṛṣṇa, that is our normal condition. So he was liberated; therefore normally he became attracted with Kṛṣṇa's pastimes. That is his normal life. One who is not attracted by Kṛṣṇa's pastimes, he will be attracted by President Johnson's pastimes. (laughter)
 
One has to be attracted. One has to be attracted by the dog's pastimes. Don't you see a person how he is serving the dog? The dog stands, passes urine, he also stands. You see? He's a human being, and he is waiting for the dog passing urine. How much he is attending the pastimes of the dog?
 
So if you are not attracted by the pastimes of God, then you'll have to be attracted by the pastimes of the dog. There is no other alternative: either ''māyā'' or Kṛṣṇa. The atheist, agnostic, they deny Kṛṣṇa's pastimes; therefore they remain attracted by the pastimes of this material world.</p>
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"Do the liberated souls also seek after this Kṛṣṇa consciousness" |"Those who have become free"

Lectures

Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures

They become perfect in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Liberated soul means... We are just trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. We are not actually in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are... Just like a diseased person is trying to recover. So one who is recovered, there is no question of his healthy life. We are trying to be healthy, our present position. So we are trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So one who is liberated is nothing but Kṛṣṇa conscious. You follow?


Lecture on BG 2.8-12 -- Los Angeles, November 27, 1968:

Viṣṇujana: Do the liberated souls also seek after this Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Those who have become free . . .

Prabhupāda: They become perfect in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Liberated soul means . . . we are just trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. We are not actually in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are . . . just like a diseased person is trying to recover. So one who is recovered, there is no question of his healthy life. We are trying to be healthy, our present position. So we are trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So one who is liberated he is nothing but Kṛṣṇa conscious. You follow? Yes.

Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the perfection of life. So we are trying to reach that platform of perfection by regulative principle. But when we are actually on the platform, there is nothing but Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the perfection of life. That is our actual, liberated stage. Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya-kṛṣṇa-dāsa (CC Madhya 20.108). That is our svarūpa. Svarūpa means actual constitutional position. And mukti, liberation, means to come to that real position. Just like healthy life means to come to the normal life from the diseased stage. That is healthy life and normal life.

So Kṛṣṇa consciousness is our normal consciousness. This normal consciousness is now polluted. We have got so many other consciousness. So this is an attempt to get out of all, I mean to say, infected consciousness, come to the real stage of pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

One question. No more. Next day.

Yes?

Devotee: In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam you have said that . . . it's stated that Vyāsadeva was afraid when Sūta Gosvāmī was born that he would leave home because he was already a liberated soul.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Devotee: It says in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam that Vyāsadeva was afraid that Sūta Gosvāmī when he was born would leave home because he was already a liberated soul.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Devotee: But he was attracted to Kṛṣṇa's pastimes.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Devotee: So what . . .?

Prabhupāda: That is the sign of liberated soul. Because to become attracted by Kṛṣṇa, that is our normal condition. So he was liberated; therefore normally he became attracted with Kṛṣṇa's pastimes. That is his normal life. One who is not attracted by Kṛṣṇa's pastimes, he will be attracted by President Johnson's pastimes. (laughter)

One has to be attracted. One has to be attracted by the dog's pastimes. Don't you see a person how he is serving the dog? The dog stands, passes urine, he also stands. You see? He's a human being, and he is waiting for the dog passing urine. How much he is attending the pastimes of the dog?

So if you are not attracted by the pastimes of God, then you'll have to be attracted by the pastimes of the dog. There is no other alternative: either māyā or Kṛṣṇa. The atheist, agnostic, they deny Kṛṣṇa's pastimes; therefore they remain attracted by the pastimes of this material world.

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