Prabhupāda: So why you are thinking of your son's future, your grandson's . . . why don't you think of your future?
Amogha: It makes me happy to think that they'll be happy.
Prabhupāda: That is madness. That is madness.
Amogha: If I get insurance policy, then they will have some money after I go . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, that is natural, that you think of future. But the foolishness is you don't think of your future. That is foolishness. This is natural. Because every living entity is eternal; therefore he has future. But for himself he is thinking, "There is no life, next." And he is thinking of the life which will come as his grandson or son, what will be their future. And he is blind about the own future. This is fourth-class man. Suppose some danger is coming. So shall I take care of you, "How you will be saved? How you will be saved?" How I will be saved—that is my first business. That he does not know. There have been many cases; there is all of a sudden fire. The man has left everything, and his baby was there. He was crying, "Oh, I have left my . . ." The natural tendency—"First of all save me." Self-preservation is the first law of nature. So why did he forget about his baby? Now, when he comes out, he is thinking about baby. This is natural, that he does not think about himself; he is thinking about future generation. "What nonsense will come as my son or grandson?" Just see. This is fourth-class man.
Amogha: So he should first save himself, then think about how to save others.
Prabhupāda: Yes. First of all he must know what he is actually saving. That he does not know. He is thinking of his country. Suppose next birth he becomes a cow and his countrymen will send him to the slaughterhouse. So what is the use of having your country? The same country, the national . . . the cow is also national, you are also national, but the law is the cow is to be sent to the slaughterhouse. Therefore they have been all described as mūḍhā, rascals, only rascals. Except a Kṛṣṇa conscious person, all persons are rascals. Do you admit or not?
Amogha: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is authoritative statement of Kṛṣṇa. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15). So these classes of men do not surrender to Kṛṣṇa. So anyone who has not surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, he comes within these categories. This is a plain description if we believe in Bhagavad-gītā. All rascals.
Amogha: But he would say, "There are many people also like me who . . . we don't harm anybody. We just live our own life, and . . ."
Prabhupāda: But you harm yourself. Because you are a rascal, you do not know what is your future. You do not harm others, but you are harming yourself. You do not know what you are and how you are harming yourself. You are such a rascal. You pose to be that you do not make any harm to anyone, but you are doing harm to yourself. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum (SB 7.5.31). You do not know what is the harm to yourself. You are such a fool. So what is the use of . . .? Nobody can do any harm to anyone. Everything is going on, nature's law. But you are doing yourself harm for your interest. You are such a fool.