Gaṇeśa: Many people in Perth, they have the books. About one and a half years ago we were over here, and we were distributing the big Kṛṣṇa books and the Bhagavad-gītā. Many books.
Prabhupāda: So you are not distributing now?
Gaṇeśa: Yes, we are still distributing. Only around Christmas in Perth. During the rest of the time of the year, it is not very crowded.
Amogha: When we came over here, we stayed in a hotel before we found the house about ten days ago. And when we came to the motel, the lady said, "Oh, someone has left this book here." And she gave us a Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. (pause) Yesterday the United States attacked and sank three Cambodian boats. They are fighting because the Cambodian Communists, the new government, captured one United States freighter. So now they are beginning to try to take it back. (pause) (bus passes) The bus is empty again.
Prabhupāda: A very good bus.
Paramahaṁsa: Practically every one of these cars only has one person in it.
Gaṇeśa: So actually, they have not advanced technologically from the civilizations of Rāvaṇa's time.
Prabhupāda: That is not civilization. Technological advancement is not civilization. It is the advancement of ugra knowledge. Real civilization is to advance in Brahman knowledge. If there are brāhmaṇas, that is advancement. This is not advancement, because they do not know what is advancement. They have no knowledge that "I have to die, and I have to accept another body after death." They do not know it. So long this body is there, they are trying to have very comfortable position. But they do not know that after this body, he has to accept another body. So how this technology will help him? If, in this life, by technological advancement you live very comfortably, and next life you become a dog, then where is the advancement? That they do not know. Suppose . . . we have got visa for two weeks?
Paramahaṁsa: Three weeks.
Prabhupāda: Three weeks. Now, if in Perth I begin one big skyscraper building, and then after three weeks I am kicked out, then is that very good intelligence? I know that I shall remain here for three weeks, and if I begin one skyscraper building, and then, during the time of constructing or, say, after the construction is finished, I am kicked out, then where is that intelligence? Just like Napoleon. He wanted to construct that arch. You have not seen.