Reporter (4): Your Divine Grace, do you see meditation as a means to God's realization?
Prabhupāda: Yes, meditation is also one means, but you cannot meditate now, because you do not know what is God. How you will meditate? Meditation upon something, but if you do not know what is God, upon whom you'll meditate? First of all you must know. Just like we know God, Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ (BG 18.65): "Always think of Me." This is meditation. So we meditate upon Kṛṣṇa. So that is perfect meditation, because meditation means to think of God. But if you do not know what is God, how you will think of Him?
Reporter (4): It is written in many scriptures that God is light. In . . .
Prabhupāda: God is everything. God is darkness also. We say: "God is that from whom everything comes." So light also comes; darkness also comes. So darkness also comes from God.
Reporter (3): Do you think meditation is a way to see the God inside yourself? To see God inside yourself?
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the description of meditation. Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ (SB 12.13.1). The yogīs, by their mind concentrating upon God, they try to see Him. So you must know what is God. Just like our institution, they know what is God, description of God. They can think of God. But if you have no idea of God, how you'll think of Him?
Reporter (2): In your books you talk about Brahmaloka, which, I suppose is heaven.
Prabhupāda: No, there are many lokas. Heaven also one of them. Brahmaloka also one of them. Don't you see so many planetary system? So there are innumerable planets. Some of them may be Brahmaloka, Candraloka, Varuṇaloka, Sūryaloka, and so many others. So Brahmaloka is one of the planets.
Reporter (2): So that is actually a physical planet?
Prabhupāda: Don't you see physical planets? The sun is not a physical planet?
Reporter (2): It is.