Prabhupāda: Scottish Churches' College. You know that? In our time Dr. Watt, he was principal. And I was student of philosophy of Dr. W. S. Urquhart. He was my professor. And our English professor was Mr. Cameron, Mr. Scrimgeour, Mr. Warren. And I was student of economics also. One Mr. Kidd, he was also . . . all our professors were Scotsmen, Englishmen.
Dr. Copeland: And after you left the college, were you employed?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I was appointed manager of a very big laboratory, Dr. Bose's laboratory.
Dr. Copeland: Ah, yes.
Prabhupāda: You know?
Dr. Copeland: I've heard of it . . . (indistinct) . . . while you were in the college or afterwards, did you participate in any political movements?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I joined this Gandhi's.
Dr. Copeland: You did? Had you met Gandhi?
Prabhupāda: I met several times, but not as personal interview. But I liked his movement, national movement.
Dr. Copeland: Why?
Prabhupāda: Young men, everyone likes politics.
Dr. Copeland: (laughs) Ācchā.
Prabhupāda: Actually, later on, I did not like. When I was mature, when I met my Guru Mahārāja, then I thought all these things bogus. It has nothing, no value. This social movement, political movement, they are simply wasting time. Real movement is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Dr. Copeland: Why do you think a large number of people followed Gandhi? Why did they like him?
Prabhupāda: Well, large number of people followed Lenin. They are not important. Neither Lenin is important, nor their follower is important. So I don't think Gandhi's followers are as many as later on Lenin's. So these things are not important.
Dr. Copeland: But don't you look upon him as a religious man? Gandhi, religious man?
Prabhupāda: He was a politician. In the garb of. He consolidated the mass of Indian people, becoming a mahātmā, but he was not a mahātmā.
Dr. Copeland: Why not?
Prabhupāda: No. According to . . . just see . . .
Madhudviṣa: Mahātmānas mām . . .
Prabhupāda: Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ (BG 9.13). We have to judge from this Bhagavad-gītā. Our test will be Bhagavad-gītā.