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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">No, that is not possible. Therefore Rūpa Gosvāmī said, ā dau gurv-āśrayam. First business is to accept spiritual master. Ā dau gurv-āśrayam. Who will train him? He is already fool, rascal. He must be trained up. So he must be trained up by the representative of Kṛṣṇa. | | <div class="heading">No, that is not possible. Therefore Rūpa Gosvāmī said, ā dau gurv-āśrayam. First business is to accept spiritual master. Ā dau gurv-āśrayam. Who will train him? He is already fool, rascal. He must be trained up. So he must be trained up by the representative of Kṛṣṇa. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne|Morning Walk -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee 7: Prabhupāda, can a person go back to a spiritual planet without initiation?</p> | | |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
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| <p>Devotee 7: Can a person go back to a spiritual planet...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: No, there is no more init... Initiation here required when the living entity is in darkness. Just like uneducated person requires to go to school. One who is educated, in his full knowledge, he doesn't go.</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne|Morning Walk -- May 22, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| <p>Madhudviṣa: The question was, Prabhupāda, is it possible for a person to return to the spiritual world without taking initiation from a bona fide spiritual master?</p>
| | Devotee (7): Prabhupāda, can a person go back to a spiritual planet without initiation? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, that is not possible. Therefore Rūpa Gosvāmī said, ā dau gurv-āśrayam. First business is to accept spiritual master. Ā dau gurv-āśrayam. Who will train him? He is already fool, rascal. He must be trained up. So he must be trained up by the representative of Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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| <p>Devotee 9: Is second initiation necessary, Śrīla Prabhupāda?</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Huh? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Second or first only.</p>
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| <p>Devotee 9: Śrīla Prabhupāda, what are you saying? You said before there's no necessary for a spiritual master and now you...</p>
| | Devotee (7): Can a person go back to a spiritual planet. . . |
| <p>Devotee 1: He said in the spiritual world there is no necessity.</p>
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| <p>Devotee 9: Oh, in the spiritual world.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: No, there is no more init. . . Initiation here required when the living entity is in darkness. Just like uneducated person requires to go to school. One who is educated, in his full knowledge, he doesn't go. |
| <p>Devotee 1: Everyone is in full knowledge. In the material world everyone is in darkness.</p>
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| <p>Devotees: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda! Hari bol! Hari bol! (break)</p>
| | Madhudviṣa: The question was, Prabhupāda, is it possible for a person to return to the spiritual world without taking initiation from a bona fide spiritual master? |
| <p>Devotee 1: Śrīla Prabhupāda, it appears that there is a group of persons here in Australia who think, judging from the different questions that are being asked, they are thinking that it is not required to formally accept...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: There are so many rascal swamis come. They say like that, "There is no need of guru."</p>
| | Prabhupāda: No, that is not possible. Therefore Rūpa Gosvāmī said, ''ādau gurv-āśrayam'' (Brs. 1.1.74). First business is to accept spiritual master. ''Ādau gurv-āśrayam''. Who will train him? He is already fool, rascal. He must be trained up. So he must be trained up by the representative of Kṛṣṇa. |
| <p>Devotee 1: Yeah, right. They think that Kṛṣṇa is in the heart and you can accept initiation by that way.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: You do not know where to find out Kṛṣṇa in the heart.</p>
| | Devotee (9): Is second initiation necessary, Śrīla Prabhupāda? |
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| | Prabhupāda: Second or first initiation. |
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| | Devotee (9): Śrīla Prabhupāda, what are you saying? You said before there's no necessity for a spiritual master, and now you. . . |
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| | Paramahaṁsa: He said in the spiritual world there is no necessity. |
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| | Devotee (9): Oh, in the spiritual world. |
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| | Paramahaṁsa: Everyone is in full knowledge. In the material world everyone is in darkness. |
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| | Devotees: ''Jaya'' Śrīla Prabhupāda! ''Jaya'' Gaura Nitai! (break) |
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| | Paramahaṁsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, it appears that there is a group of persons here in Australia who think, judging from the different questions that are being asked, they are thinking that it is not required to formally accept. . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: There are so many rascal ''svāmīs'' come. They say like that, "There is no need of ''guru''." |
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| | Paramahaṁsa: Yeah, right. They think that Kṛṣṇa is in the heart, and you can accept initiation by that way. |
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| | Prabhupāda: You do not know where to find out Kṛṣṇa in the heart. |
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