Prabhupāda: (laughs) We are not so simple that others will befool us. We are not so simple.
Śyāmasundara: From Socrates up to Heidegger, Heisenberg, up to the latest philosophers, he has defeated them systematically, one by one. Ten months he worked on it. Incredible. (laughs) Every argument, possible argument. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: No. We failed big, big doctors, scientists. There was one Dr. Staal.
Śyāmasundara: Yeah, he was a Sanskrit scholar or something.
Prabhupāda: Sanskrit scholar.
Dhanañjaya: Members of the Mensa Society?
Śyāmasundara: Because they have no authority, no previous authority . . .
Prabhupāda: No standard authority.
Śyāmasundara: Mental speculators.
Prabhupāda: Another philosopher is coming on the nineteenth.
Śyāmasundara: Yes, that would be very interesting . . . (laughs) I forget his name. He is the leader of the spiritualist church in England. I don’t know his name . . . (indistinct)
Guest (2): What is he coming here for? To . . .
Śyāmasundara: Just to engage in a kind of a debate actually, just an exchange of views, dialogue. (laughs) Last session we had was with a geneticist in San . . . Los Angeles. In the world of genetics he is trying to find out how to create life out of chemicals. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Let us capture Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet, that's all. (laughs) He will give us protection. That's right. Kṛṣṇa knows how to kill demons. Eh?
Śyāmasundara: (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Eh? The horse demon, He controlled him by pushing His hand on the mouth, you see.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs) A horse can be controlled by his mouth very easily.
Prabhupāda: Only mouth, that's all. Very easily. He simply pushed His hand, and when He pushed His hand, by His power he, the horse, began to feel the hand as hot iron. You see? Kṛṣṇa is all-powerful. He can do that. Eh? Otherwise there is no meaning of His being all-powerful. We accept Kṛṣṇa as God, not . . .
Even by His activities He is not ordinary. He had to meet so many dangers before He was accepted God. From childhood, when He was baby, just three months old, He had to struggle. He had to struggle with His position as God. And those who are claiming, "I am God," let these rascals establish his position that he is God. Then we accept that. You find out that picture of Kṛṣṇa, how He is controlling the horse, eh? Keśī.
Śyāmasundara: It's here at the back. It's right at the back.