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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">Unless our men are trained up, why you should allow to stay here and to wife. We want trained up men, not third-class picked-up. We want men who will follow the rules and regulations and fully trained up. Otherwise we don't want. We don't want ordinary karmīs and... And if he agrees to be trained up, then we'll take. Otherwise what is the use of bringing some useless men? He must agree to produce his own food, and work. Our rules and regulations, he must follow. Then it will be ideal community. Otherwise, if you bring from here and there some men and fill up, that is not good thing. This is a training institution, to become devotee. | | <div class="heading">Unless our men are trained up, why you should allow to stay here and to wife. We want trained up men, not third-class picked-up. We want men who will follow the rules and regulations and fully trained up. Otherwise we don't want. We don't want ordinary karmīs and... And if he agrees to be trained up, then we'll take. Otherwise what is the use of bringing some useless men? He must agree to produce his own food, and work. Our rules and regulations, he must follow. Then it will be ideal community. Otherwise, if you bring from here and there some men and fill up, that is not good thing. This is a training institution, to become devotee. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Devotees -- August 1, 1975, New Orleans|Room Conversation with Devotees -- August 1, 1975, New Orleans]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That is time for punishment. They should build up their character, śamaḥ, damaḥ, fully controlled. When they like, they become gṛhasthas. Otherwise they are controlled. That is brāhmaṇa. For brāhmaṇa it is not compulsory to marry. Kṣatriyas may marry more than one wife. They can take. So all girls must be married. That is... They must...They must have one husband, even the husband has got fifty wives. Then the problem of girls' marriage will be solved. And as soon as one girl is pregnant, she should be separated.</p> | | |
| <p>Hṛdayānanda: From the husband.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: At least for one and half years.</p>
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| <p>Upendra: At the moment of pregnancy? From the moment of pregnancy one and a half years?</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Devotees -- August 1, 1975, New Orleans|Room Conversation with Devotees -- August 1, 1975, New Orleans]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Pregnancy is understood at three months. From that month till further, sixteen months at least, she should not come to be near husband. That is eka-kadi (?). The child does not live. And they are not inclined to come unless a man induces. So the man, if he has got more than one wife, so man will not disturb her. And she will take rest for the next eighteen months. So after ten months she will give birth to the child, and for six months continually she will take care of the child. Feeding the child with breast milk, the child will be healthy. If the child can take mother's milk for six months at least continually, he'll become healthy for life.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: That is time for punishment. They should build up their character, ''śamaḥ, damaḥ'', fully controlled. When they like, they become ''gṛhasthas''. Otherwise they are controlled. That is ''brāhmaṇa''. For ''brāhmaṇa ''it is not compulsory to marry. ''Kṣatriyas'' may marry more than one wife. They can take. So all girls must be married. That is . . . they must . . . they must have one husband, even the husband has got fifty wives. Then the problem of girls' marriage will be solved. And as soon as one girl is pregnant, she should be separated. |
| <p>Upendra: Where do they send that mother?</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Where they'll take care.</p>
| | Hṛdayānanda: From the husband. |
| <p>Upendra: If the man sends the woman away, where does she...?</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Our aim is not to give help, but not... Generally she goes to the father's house. So you can have separate building for that.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: At least for one and half years. |
| <p>Nityānanda: Are you saying that our men should have more than one wife?</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: I have no objection.</p>
| | Upendra: At the moment of pregnancy? From the moment of pregnancy, one and a half years? |
| <p>Satsvarūpa: That's a difficult proposition.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Why?</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Yes. Pregnancy is understood at three months. From that month till further, sixteen months at least, she should not come to be near husband. That is ''eka-kadi''. The child does not live. And they are not inclined to come unless a man induces. So the man, if he has got more than one wife, so man will not disturb her. And she will take rest for the next eighteen months. So after ten months she will give birth to the child, and for six months continually she will take care of the child. Feeding the child with breast milk, the child will be healthy. If the child can take mother's milk for six months at least, continually, he'll become healthy for life. |
| <p>Satsvarūpa: It's not allowed in this country. It's illegal. It's against the law.</p>
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| <p>Devotee: It's against the law.</p>
| | Upendra: Where do they send that mother? |
| <p>Nityānanda: No, it's a matter of... No one knows who is married or unmarried, but if you have...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: That is not very difficult.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Where they'll take care. |
| <p>Satsvarūpa: Well, the other difficulty, you brought this up several years ago, was that the men who take many wives have to be very select. Otherwise men will be attracted to join our movement for sex life, having different wives.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: No, no, unless our men are trained up, why you should allow to stay here and to wife. We want trained up men, not third-class picked-up. We want men who will follow the rules and regulations and fully trained up. Otherwise we don't want. We don't want ordinary karmīs and... And if he agrees to be trained up, then we'll take. Otherwise what is the use of bringing some useless men? He must agree to produce his own food, and work. Our rules and regulations, he must follow. Then it will be ideal community. Otherwise, if you bring from here and there some men and fill up, that is not good thing. This is a training institution, to become devotee.</p>
| | Upendra: If the man sends the woman away, where does she. . .? |
| <p>Satsvarūpa: Everything we do, we don't hide it. We show the world what we're doing. I don't see how we could hide that one man had many different wives.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: If you don't call wife, you can have. The law allows you to keep boyfriend, girlfriend. Then the... Instead of calling "husband," call "friend." That's all. But, er, it is risky and the man must be responsible to keep... To keep more than one wife by trained-up man is not disallowed.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Our aim is not to give help, but not . . . generally she goes to the father's house. So you can have separate building for that. |
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| | Nityānanda: Are you saying that our men should have more than one wife? |
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| | Prabhupāda: I have no objection. |
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| | Satsvarūpa: That's a difficult proposition. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Why? |
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| | Satsvarūpa: It's not allowed in this country. It's illegal. It's against the law. |
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| | Devotee: It's against the law. |
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| | Nityānanda: No, it's a matter of . . . no one knows who is married or unmarried, but if you have . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: That is not very difficult. |
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| | Satsvarūpa: Well, the other difficulty, you brought this up several years ago, was that the men who take many wives have to be very select. Otherwise men will be attracted to join our movement for sex life, having different wives. |
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| | Prabhupāda: No, no, unless our men are trained up, why you should allow to stay here and to marry? We want trained-up men, not third-class picked-up. We want men who will follow the rules and regulations and fully trained up. Otherwise we don't want. We don't want ordinary ''karmīs'' and . . . and if he agrees to be trained up, then we'll take. Otherwise, what is the use of bringing some useless men? He must agree to produce his own food, and work. Our rules and regulations, he must follow. Then it will be ideal community. Otherwise, if you bring from here and there some men and fill up, that is not good thing. This is a training institution, to become devotee. |
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| | Satsvarūpa: Everything we do, we don't hide it. We show the world what we're doing. I don't see how we could hide that one man had many different wives. |
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| | Prabhupāda: If you don't call wife, you can have. The law allows you to keep boyfriend, girlfriend. Then the . . . instead of calling "husband," call "friend." That's all. But, er, it is risky, and the man must be responsible to keep . . . to keep more than one wife by trained-up man is not disallowed.</p> |
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