Prabhupāda: What is that?
Guest (3): When we are with Kṛṣṇa, we are enjoying the supreme bliss there. As soon as we come to this material world we are in a miserable condition.
Prabhupāda: Well this is natural.
Guest (3): Why did we left Śrī Kṛṣṇa and came to this world? What was the cause? There was no action at all.
Prabhupāda: There is cause: kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sya (BG 13.22). There is master and servant. The servant sometimes desires, "Why not become a master?" That is natural. So...
Guest (3): No. When I was with Kṛṣṇa, I was, matter was (indistinct) that my master is served.
Prabhupāda: You are master? You are kicked by the material nature and you are master? Why you are so falsely proud? You are not master.
Guest (3): But you said that the mokṣa is I am, once...
Prabhupāda: Mokṣa means that when you are eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa. When you desire to become master of the world, then you become bound up. And when you give up this artificial desire, that is mokṣa.
Guest (3): Thank you.