Prabhupāda: We are giving the shortcut process. What one has to attain after many, many births, we are simply saying is surrender to Kṛṣṇa. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That's all. This is the greatest boon or, what is called, greatest reward or contribution to the human society. And if actually one is wise, then he'll take our word that if one has to come to this point after many, many births, that Kṛṣṇa is everything, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti, to understand, why not accept it immediately?
Allen Ginsberg: Do you take the rebirth literally?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Allen Ginsberg: Do you take rebirth in human form literally?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Allen Ginsberg: As a . . .
Prabhupāda: What is the difficulty?
Allen Ginsberg: I just don't remember having been born before.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Allen Ginsberg: I don't remember having been born before.
Prabhupāda: You don't remember your childhood, that does not mean you had no childhood. Do you remember when you were so small boy, what did you do?
Allen Ginsberg: Certain things. Not very small, but there.
Prabhupāda: Or when you were in your womb of your mother. Do you remember?
Allen Ginsberg: No.
Prabhupāda: Then? Does it mean that you are not?
Allen Ginsberg: No, it doesn't mean that I am not.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So you do not remember, that is not reason. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā.
Allen Ginsberg: Yeah.
Prabhupāda:
- dehino 'smin yathā dehe
- kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā
- tathā dehāntara-prāptir
- dhīras tatra na muhyati
- (BG 2.13)
Because I do not remember what I did in my mother's womb, that does not mean that I had no a little body. The body is change; I am there. Therefore, I change this body I will remain.