Prabhupāda: Pṛthivīte āche yata naga... (CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126). All over the world, as many villages and towns are there, preach. But this paramahaṁsa says, "No, no. I cannot go beyond Vṛndāvana." Kali's..., Kali-yuga's paramahaṁsa. Practically, if I remained at Rādhā-Dāmodara temple becoming a paramahaṁsa, then how this institution would have come into existence? That is a fact. But we are not doing. If I would have been a great paramahaṁsa, not to leave Vṛndāvana, I would have been very happy in that room; no botheration. Then how this movement would have been started all over the world?
Hari-śauri: That kind of paramahaṁsa would have probably been pleased if the movement hadn't started.
Hari-śauri: I said that kind of paramahaṁsa...
Prabhupāda: Yes. They are against us. They criticize us, all the gosvāmīs, the bābājīs. I have become eyesore.
Hari-śauri: Sore for their eyes.
Prabhupāda: Therefore Nitāi left. He was instigated that "Your guru is useless. Find out a better guru and remain in bhajana." This rascal left. He talked with (indistinct). Now where he has gone? Nobody knows where is the paramahaṁsa.
Girirāja: The others are envious.
Prabhupāda: Yes, because they're ordinary men. Man's business is to become envious. An ordinary third-class men, there is always envy. Not only first class, but third class. And what to speak of Vaiṣṇava and paramahaṁsa. Third-class men. And the government is capturing them and giving sterilization because there is record—so many abortions in the American Hospital. The bābājīs are making pregnant the widows, and they are going for abortion. There are many cases, similar, and there is American Hospital.
Girirāja: In Vṛndāvana?
Prabhupāda: Not all. But wherefrom they are becoming pregnant?
Hari-śauri: What is the need for any bābājī to get sterilized, anyway?
Prabhupāda: Not to get... Sterilization, they are being forced. The government understand that who is making them pregnant, these ugly widows. They are not coming from Delhi, government servant. (laughter) Bring them, paramahaṁsas. When I was coming, so many paramahaṁsa, they advised me, "Sir, why you are going to foreign country in this old age? You are in Vṛndāvana. Just go on with your bhajana." The bābājīs gave me advice. And actually, I was seventy years old.
Girirāja: They don't know Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: No, they don't care for. They say, "Bhagavad-gītā is not for us."
Girirāja: They say that?
Prabhupāda: Yes, the bābājīs say. They are for Bhāgavata rasa-līlā. "Bhagavad-gītā is for third class or lower class, who does not..." They are paramahaṁsas. They are not... Immediately jump over rasa-līlā.
Girirāja: So they discriminate this Kṛṣṇa from that Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The Vallabha-sampradāya, they say that "Before Kṛṣṇa was contaminated, in His childhood, we worship that Kṛṣṇa."
Girirāja: Who said that?
Prabhupāda: "Kṛṣṇa, when He was young, grown-up, He became contaminated by the gopīs." Therefore they do not touch that Kṛṣṇa. When He was below that age, Bāla Kṛṣṇa, He is innocent; He has no desire. They think this is contaminated Kṛṣṇa, and Bāla Kṛṣṇa is uncontaminated.