Prabhupāda: That is material world, envious. That is a disease, to become envious. The spiritual world means no enviousness. That is spiritual world. And material world, there is only envious. I'm envious of you, you are envious of me. It is a society of enviousness. Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāṇām (SB 1.1.2). Paramo nirmatsara. One who is not at all envious, for him, bhāgavata-dharma. (break) Dharma is for the envious person.
Nava-yauvana: Dharma is for the envious?
Prabhupāda: Yes, so-called dharmas. Just like we have created so many dharma—Hindu dharma, Muslim dharma, Christian dharma. They are so-called. They are not dharmas. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam (SB 6.3.19). Dharma means what is given to you by the Supreme Lord, that is dharma. Otherwise, if you manufacture some ritualistic ceremonies, some formulas, some dogma, that is cheating. That is not religion. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmaḥ. That is first-class religion. What is that? Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje: wherefrom you learn how to love God. If you learn, "I believe this," "I believe that," "This is our ritualistic ceremony," these are all cheating. As people are cheating one another in different ways, this is another cheating. That's all. They will say: "We believe in this way," "We believe in that way." So what is that, you believe in that way? What is the fact? If you believe something wrong, is that to be taken as religion? (break) We say tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). Other religious sect, they say: "This is Hindu belief." It is not question of Hindu belief. It is the fact. Does it mean that a Muhammadan or Christian child does not become a boy? When Kṛṣṇa says dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā (BG 2.13), just like the child is becoming boy, boy is becoming young, this is science. And why do you say it is Hindu belief? Does it mean that a Muslim or Christian child does not become a boy? What do you mean by Hindu belief? But they say it like that, "Hindu belief." Is that correct if somebody says it is Hindu belief? No, it is fact; it is science. (break) Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ. Similarly, you have to change this body, another body. The example is given. Why do you think that because it is said in the Bhagavad-gītā it is Hindu belief? They say like that, "This is Hindu belief." What do you think? Is that Hindu belief?
Dayānanda: No, it's just like you said, Śrīla Prabhupāda. It's given by the Supreme Lord, so therefore it's . . .
Prabhupāda: Apart from Supreme Lord, it is a law of nature.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: It is logical. It is factual.
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is the law of nature, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni. The law, nature's law, is acting like that. How you can avoid the laws of nature? If some young man says: "No, no, I'll not become old man," will the law of nature will excuse him, because he does not like? You have to become old man.
- prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni
- guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ
- ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā
- kartāham iti manyate
- (BG 3.27)
The law of nature is working so strongly, but this rascal is proud of his own belief. This is foolishness, mūḍha.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Rascaldom, enviousness.
Prabhupāda: Just see. No, no. Rascaldom includes everything. If you say "rascal," that he includes everything. The so-called scientists say: "Oh, after this . . ." The Communists say. When I was talking with Professor Kotovsky, he said: "Swāmījī, after death everything's finished." Such a big professor. Just see. Why everything finished? We see this life, stage by stage, one stage is coming after another, another stage is coming, another. Why do you say finished?
Pradyumna: So we analyze that the material body is temporary, so it's no good anyways. Then if, even if someone says: "Well, it may be temporary, but in this life we can get something out of it . . ."
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Pradyumna: Then someone says: "But in this life, we can get something out of it," then we analyze that other people are taking that—the wife is taking that, the children are taking that. So . . .
Prabhupāda: No, how . . . we should first of all fix up what is our business. People have taken this, that to maintain the body, to maintain the family, to protect the . . . earn money and protect it, these have become their business. They do not know anything else. The whole world is going on on this platform—the nationwise, communitywise, everything. Other countries have developed, now the Shah is trying to develop equally. But what is the aim of development? The same—motorcar and accident. That they do not know. No. "They have got motorcar. I must have motorcar." But what is the aim? Same aim: meet accident and die. They do not know what is the aim of life. Na te viduḥ. They do not know it. Durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ (SB 7.5.31). They are thinking that by adjusting this material way of life they'll be happy. That's all. This is ignorance. The whole civilization is wrong because they do not know what is the aim of life. That is the fault. If they know the aim of life, then it is all right. You live comfortably. There is no . . . who asks you that you live discomfortably? You live comfortably. But you must know the aim of life. That they do not know. Ask anybody what is the aim, why you are working so hard, why you are maintaining family, why you are maintaining body, what is the aim of your life. That they do not know. (break) . . . control. These things are growing on account of water. And if there is no water, how they will grow? So it is not in the hands of the scientists. It is in the hands of God.