Prabhupāda: Mūḍha, ass. The ass works without any profit. So these are asses. Without coming to the right conclusion, they're working hard, day and night, and spending lots of money. So mūḍhas.
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Why the scientists are searching out protons, neutrons? To find out the original cause. So they could not find the original cause. They see the middle work only, how the proton is working, neutron is working, atom is working. But wherefrom this arrangement came, how they are working systematically, they do not know. So what is their science?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is just like studying that shadow.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But we know that there is a shadow. So there must be a real object.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Unless there is real object, there cannot be shadow. Now the sky is clouded. We cannot see above the cloud. Does it mean there is nothing? If somebody, "Oh, there is nothing except this . . ."
Brahmānanda: All we have to do is fly up there, and it's bright as sun.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Somehow we have to remove the covering.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
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We don't give any credit to any man if he's not Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is our final conclusion. We can give credit so much, as you have got. Just like you are a driver. So I can give you the credit of a driver. But I cannot give you the credit of a high-court judge. So much, what you know, that much credit . . .
Brahmānanda: Future.
Prabhupāda: Yes. When in future you become high-court judge, then I shall give you credit. Why before you want to take credit?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So one has to have a certain qualifications.