Prabhupāda: We are challenging scientists that "Life cannot be produced by chemicals only. Life comes from life." They're all big, big chemists. There is another Ph.D. Another M.A.C. M.A.C. this Oriya, Faree(?). He can also join.
Gargamuni: Śrīla Prabhupāda? I would like to see Tarun Kanti Gosh. He once told me any time you wanted to go to Manipur he would give an official letter.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Gargamuni: So if I can show him this letter I can make arrangements now, so that after Māyāpur we can go.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Gargamuni: I can give them the names and our passport numbers.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I have the forms. I brought from Manipur.
Prabhupāda: So you arrange it.
Gargamuni: Yes. 'Cause he will give this letter of recommendation for us to go.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I brought some samples that we want to do.
Pradyumna: This is like Scientific American cover, eh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Oh, that is done by Sadāpūta.
Prabhupāda: Who is he?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That's Darwin.
Prabhupāda: Oh. The nonsense. (laughter) Nāstika vana eka sab duniyā(?). (break)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . cover, this with the Māyāpur background. The idea is that at the bottom is the molecules, and . . .
Prabhupāda: This will be a revolution: science and Bhagavad-gītā.
Gargamuni: He's our member. (break) . . . three times to our temple in Calcutta.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Gargamuni: And through another member, Mr. Mahesvari, he became one of our members. (break)
Prabhupāda: Rich man, poor man, brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, American, Ind . . . sab combined. (Hindi) This is really United Nation, our organization. (Hindi) So? What other pictures?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Oh, I have many pictures. I gave a lecture, seminar, just before I came here at the university, about the nature of the Absolute Truth in terms of science and in terms of Bhagavad-gītā—a comparative study of the concept of the Absolute Truth. And there were many professors from physics, chemistry, mathematics, from philosophy, from biology and from sociology. So it was . . . Balavanta Prabhu was also there, and a few other devotees. It was quite interesting. And there was a slide show.
Prabhupāda: Balavanta was in Manipur?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: No. This is in the United States.
Prabhupāda: United States.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: America. Just before I came. So we made several slides and these, called transparencies. We are going to make all these things as illustrations in our book as well as in the journal. These are some samples that we have.
Prabhupāda: So what these big, big scientists said?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The chairman gave me a nice letter saying that this is the first type of seminar that he has ever heard in his life. (Prabhupāda chuckles) We made the presentation sound very scientific. We had the slide projection on one side, and this overhead projection on the other side. So it made a good presentation so that people can be attracted. It was quite effective. In fact, it was the most effective so far we have seen, because it was very colorful, the pictures, and we were comparing the fundamental concept of the Absolute Truth as it is understood by modern science and the defects of it, and then what is the alternative, the alternative view. We call it the other alternative scientific view. That is from . . . We speak about the Second Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā, about the nature of life, about the nature of the self. We've taken that it's nonchemical and nonphysical. Then we try to explain it in terms of scientific terminologies and scientific language.
Prabhupāda: The . . . that verse, that "It does not burn, it does not . . ."
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is . . .
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Nainam . . . Yes.
Prabhupāda: Nainaṁ chindanti. That is the nonphysical.
Hari-śauri: This is like a comparative study chart.
Prabhupāda: We are presenting śāstrīya's version in modern scientific symbolic representative. So the chairman said that he never . . .?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. Here's the letter with me. That is the . . . These are the . . . That's a comparison between Bhagavad-gītā and science. On the left side is the modern scientific view, and the right side is from Bhagavad-gītā about the nature of the Absolute Truth.
Prabhupāda: (reading chart) "Two alternative views of the laws of nature. These laws exist, but they are inconceivable to the human mind. The view of modern science—yes. They exist invariantly throughout space—yes. They do not change with time—yes. They control all manifestation—no." What that is, mean?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Modern science. On Bhagavad-gītā . . . On the right column is from Bhagavad-gītā, the right-hand side, the alternative . . . We do not call Bhagavad-gītā directly, but we say "the alternative view," so that they do not immediately be offended. We call "alternative scientific view." (break)
Prabhupāda: Now some person . . .
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Oh, yes. It's very interesting that science says that those equations at the bottom are the . . . Those are the ultimate truth, the modern science, about these mathematical equations. And so if we analyze this on the analytical basis, they are like this—those mathematical equations. So this is the concept of Absolute Truth in terms of science. And these are atoms and molecules or, we call it, fundamental particles. And so the spring between the two is sort of electromagnetic force in the different . . . among different particles. So this is the concept of Absolute Truth in terms of science. And we analyzed this in terms of our practical experience, from our day-to-day experience, and we gave some nice examples like this. This is a crocodile . . . Oh. This is a crocodile from . . . It's a male crocodile from Nile . . . from South Africa, in Scientific American just a few months ago. There he's trying to break an egg just to come out, that little young one, the small baby crocodile. And what he does is . . .
Prabhupāda: They come out from egg?