Prabhupāda: The aim is that you must get free from your diseased condition. That should be the aim. It is not the way of life. You must get free yourself from the diseased condition. That is not a way of life, that is a must. If you want to be free from diseased condition, you must treat yourself properly. The treating is . . .
Treatment is you surrender unto God and take to His service. This is simple. You are suffering, that's a fact. Everyone knows. Anyone who has got this material body, he is suffering. Nobody can say: "No, I am not suffering." Is there anybody? The body is meant for suffering, this material body. But because they do not approach the real physician, they think that they have got a material body, and that material body means there are senses, the sense gratification will give him satisfaction. Therefore he's simply after sense gratification, that's all. That is not treatment. That is still more complication.
Śyāmasundara: Aggravates the disease.
Prabhupāda: That's all. People after sense gratification. A diseased man who cannot digest, if he thinks that, "I shall eat this, I shall eat that, I shall eat that," but actually he cannot digest. Eating this or that, how it will help him? (laughs) If you have lost your digesting powers, then if you change, "I shall eat this, I shall eat that," that will not help you. So the modern civilized man, he has lost the point how he can be happy. He is simply changing the program of sense gratification. That's all.
Ian Polsen: Becoming more and more desperate.
Prabhupāda: Huh? Yes. He has no other idea. Just like here in this material world the highest pleasure is sex life, so they are changing, different types of sex life, that's all. (break) We have no objection. We want to see that you are lover of God. God is one. God is neither Hindu nor Muslim nor Christian. So we want to see that you love God, that's all. That is our mission. You are forget . . . (break) You understand little Bengali?
Guest: Oh, yes.
Prabhupāda:
- kṛṣṇa bhuliya jīva bhoga vañcha kare
- pāśate māyā tāre jāpaṭiyā dhare
- (Prema-vivarta)
After forgetting Kṛṣṇa, one wants to lord it over the material nature, but he becomes . . . (break) Especially in the Western world—everywhere—attracting sex life. Mini-skirt, so that the other party may be attracted. So many means and ways, they want to avoid the after-result of sex life, contraceptive.
The center is sex life. They are giving up everything, the hippies, but sex is there. That they cannot give up. You see? So-called giving up, but they cannot give the real central point.
So this is māyā. He's captured by this one idea, mithuna. Mithuna. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham (SB 7.9.45). Everyone is attracted by this sex life. We are trying to use this sex life in different way. Tṛpyanti neha kṛpaṇa-bahu-duḥkha-bhājaḥ. They're becoming diseased in so many ways. Sex life, indulgence of sex life, means you will become diseased, so many disease. That is a medical fact.
So this movement is very scientific movement, authorized. Anyone who will take to it seriously surely will be cured of this material disease and be happy.
Ian Polsen: Your Grace, you said I needn't give up my job, but may I look forward to the time when I may give up my job?
Prabhupāda: You come morning, evening; you come. As far as possible associate with us and try to give some service.
Ian Polsen: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Suppose you are getting some money. We have no money. If you try to serve, that will . . . sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ (Brs. 1.2.234). This line is service. The more you render service, the more you become enlightened. If you simply philosophize, theorize, you'll get no benefit. You must render service.