Pradyumna: If they follow their philosophy to the conclusion . . . they would have to be completely dependent, if they followed the philosophy to the conclusion.
Prabhupāda: If the chance comes as soon as the necessity is there, then we have to admit immediately God.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs) Yes. Hmm.
Prabhupāda: Because in the Bhagavad-gītā we hear, mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanam (BG 15.15), God is in everyone's heart, as Supersoul. Now, I am thinking of getting something. So God knows immediately that, "He wants to have this," so He gives me the necessary thing, which appear to me as chance without knowing God. The things are supplied by God because He is giving me all facilities to enjoy this material world to my heart's content by supplying all the ingredients. That is the material condition.
So these foolish persons are taking as chance, but it is not chance. God is omnipotent. As soon as He understands that I want this, He gives me some facility so that I get it. So it is not chance. It is by arrangement of superior authority. But because they are atheist, they have no sense of God consciousness, they are taking as chance, that necessity creates that chance; automatically it is coming. Not automatically.
Chance does not mean automatically. I cannot see something, but all of a sudden falls . . . j ust like I am hungry, I want some food. So Kṛṣṇa knows it that you want some . . . some way or other, the food comes to me. So it is the arrangement of Kṛṣṇa, but I see it is chance: "I was hungry, and by chance the food has come." That is my less intelligence. It is not chance; it is plan. Otherwise, you cannot adjust the meaning of chance in that way, that as soon as there is necessity, immediately the opportune chance comes before us.
Śyāmasundara: They say: "Well, it's my luck," or "My bad luck."
Prabhupāda: Yes. They say. So this "luck," as soon as you say, "luck" there must be somebody who is giving you the luck, good luck or bad luck.
Śyāmasundara: One man may desire something very badly, and his whole life long he will not get it. He will always say: "Oh, I am so unlucky."
Prabhupāda: Because he is not fit to get it, so God does not supply it. So we do not take anything as chance. We take everything as plan. But because God's omnipotency is so subtle, we cannot see how things happen. Therefore we say: "It is a chance, chance of physical arrangement." Just like in the airport, as soon I step on the door it becomes opened. It is not chance. A child will see it is a chance: "Oh, how it is? I wanted to go, and the door is already opened." He takes it a chance. That is poor fund of knowledge. There is arrangement, nice arrangement, electrical arrangement.
So to a poor fund of knowledge it becomes a chance, and to the sober mind it is not chance; it is arranged by higher authority. Another opposite point is nobody wants to die. Why the chance of death comes? Nobody wants to die. If that argument is taken, necessity—I want to die, and the death comes—then it is applicable. But I do not want to die. Why death comes? There is no necessity of my death, but why the death comes? Then where this argument will be?
Śyāmasundara: Oh, there's no necessity. There's no necessity for death?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Nobody wants to die. So why death comes?
Śyāmasundara: But they will say that because it is physically worn out, finished, material is finished, then it will die.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. It is a question of chance and necessity. Nobody feels the necessity of death. Why death comes, unless it is planned?
Śyāmasundara: Oh, I see.
Prabhupāda: Their argument is that physical necessity creates a chance, and we take advantage of the chance. But here there is no necessity. Nobody wants to die, nobody wants disease. Why these chances are coming to us without any necessity?
Śyāmasundara: If, for instance, in nature they saw a tree growing, they would say that by necessity this tree must die in order to replenish the soil so more trees can grow.
Prabhupāda: Then there is plan. As soon as you say that more trees can grow, that means there is plan. You cannot say chance.