Prabhupāda: Yes. It is authoritative statement of Kṛṣṇa. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15). So these classes of men do not surrender to Kṛṣṇa. So anyone who has not surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, he comes within these categories. This is a plain description if we believe in Bhagavad-gītā. All rascals.
Amogha: But he would say, "There are many people also like me who. . . We don't harm anybody. We just live our own life, and . . ."
Prabhupāda: But you harm yourself. Because you are a rascal, you do not know what is your future. You do not harm others, but you are harming yourself. You do not know what you are and how you are harming yourself. You are such a rascal. You pose to be that you do not make any harm to anyone, but you are doing harm to yourself. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum (SB 7.5.31). You do not know what is the harm to yourself. You are such a fool. So what is the use of . . .? Nobody can do any harm to anyone. Everything is going on, nature's law. But you are doing yourself harm for your interest. You are such a fool.
Amogha: But I feel pretty happy. Everything seems to be . . . I have a good job.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. The ass also feels happy, dog also feels happy. So you are like ass, dog, like that. They also feel happy.
Amogha: They don't go to cinema.
Prabhupāda: This is not . . . there are many living entities in the cinema. There are ants, the lizards, rats. So what is the use of being in cinema? So you are also one of them, that's all. There are no rats in the cinema house? (laughter)
Amogha: At the drive-ins they also have birds. At the open theater they have birds also, and cats.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Amogha: But man has been progressing for so many years. Surely they can't all be bad.
Prabhupāda: They are not progressing. They are rascals. What their meaning of progressing, these fourth-class men? That is our verdict, Kṛṣṇa's verdict. What progress? If you have made progress, then you are thinking, "What will happen, future?" Where is your progress? You rest assured that "We have made so much progress. Now there will be no more problem." So why you have engaged so many so-called rascals again to solve the problems? Where is your advancement? If you are full of anxiety, then where is your happiness? Is anyone who is full of anxiety, he is happy? Is he happy?
Amogha: Well, not . . . but if he takes some intoxicant or he goes to cinema, then he feels better.
Prabhupāda: You are adding rascal upon rascal. (laughs) They do that, you know. They are fools. They are rascals. The same philosophy: if you have got enemy in the front, you close your eyes and he kills you. The rabbit, they do that. As soon as they find some big animal, they close.
Paramahaṁsa: Ostriches stick their head in a hole in the ground.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Amogha: But there must be some progress, because so many are joining the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement.
Prabhupāda: They are making real advancement. Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam. Their these material anxieties will be over. They are making advancement. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam (CC Antya 20.12). By chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa their dirty heart will be cleansed, and as soon as it is fully cleansed, the problems of material existence will be over. No more anxiety.