Shahrezad: I believe in philosophy that the Creator must exist, but I don't know about the stories and details that I hear from . . .
Prabhupāda: No, that you shall understand. First of all you must accept that there is creator. Then we study what is the nature of that creator. Just like these rascals, they are trying to prove that creation begins from stone, matter. Whether that is fact, whether creation begins from stone or from life, these things are to be studied. Creation they are also accepting, but they are trying to prove that creation is from matter. Our proposition is, "No, creation is from life." There are two things: life and matter. These are subject matters for further studies. First of all, we must know there is a creator. The atheists, they say there is no creator but there is creation, do they not? There is creation.
Nava-yauvana: By chance.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, by chance or by arrangement, but there is beginning, creation. Yes, they say: "By chance." Their argument is that prakṛti-puruṣa. Just like young man, young woman meets by chance, and the woman becomes pregnant. So this pregnancy is by chance. That is the argument, is it not? There was no arrangement, but by chance they met and there is pregnancy. Is not that their argument? What is that chance argument?
Nava-yauvana: There is no controller.
Prabhupāda: No, there is no controller. By chance, they meet. There is no controller that brought them together. By chance they came.
Hari-śauri: Things just combine by chance and develop.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no question of controller. That is their theory.
Nava-yauvana: By accident.