Prabhupāda: Without them . . . you cannot live with this material body without so many conditions. And that is also one of the condition. You cannot live. Any condition, little disturbed, you become diseased, you become disturbed. So therefore it is called conditional life. You simply live here on condition. And spiritual life means no condition. If the condition is favorable, then your senses will act. Otherwise you have got useless senses. If there is light, then you can see. You can become proud of your eyes, "Can you show me God?" And what you can see, rascal? If God gives you light, then you can see. You see under condition. And still, he's very proud of his eyes, "Can you show me God?" This is going on. Rascal, what you can see?
Devotees: Watch out! (ocean water comes close to devotees)
Jayatīrtha: Hare Kṛṣṇa! Ah. Govinda.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jayatīrtha: The water's coming up to touch your lotus feet, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Why . . . (indistinct) . . .? So we are conditioned. And still, we are searching out the truth. What is your truth? You are conditioned.
Bali-mardana: So they only end up with a conditioned truth, a relative truth.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The more you are not conditioned, the more your finding out truth is perfect. But it is not possible for you to become completely unconditioned. That is not possible. That is mukta puruṣa, liberated. Therefore we have to take knowledge from the person who is not conditioned. That is perfect knowledge. And one who is conditioned, what is the value of his giving knowledge? So therefore we don't accept any knowledge from the conditioned souls. Conditioned soul is imperfect by the four deficiencies: bhrama, pramadā . . . he must commit mistake. So what is the value of his knowledge? There is no value. We take knowledge from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is unconditioned. There is a verse in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata: eṣad īśānām īśasya. That is God. God means He becomes . . . he comes within this material world, but He's not conditioned. That is Kṛṣṇa.
Bali-mardana: And His representative.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The whole thing is managed by the law of gravitation, but when Kṛṣṇa lifted the hill, there was no weight. He's not conditioned by the law of gravity. He can lift up. We cannot do, because we are conditioned. And when they cannot understand God's inconceivable power, they think it is all mythology. Because he is a rascal, he thinks Kṛṣṇa also rascal.