Prabhupāda: Another rascal. Andhā yathāndhaiḥ. He's a rascal, and he's appreciated by another rascal. This is going on.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Even the government is behind this research. NASA and federal funding government, they spend billions of dollars on this research.
Prabhupāda: Just see. Then what is the government? Another combination of rascals, that's all. They have no knowledge.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Some of them are also beginning to feel that . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, that must . . .
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . there is something wrong . . .
Prabhupāda: That must be.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . with the whole approach.
Prabhupāda: That must be there.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Like there is a physicist in Princeton. His name is Dyson, Freeman Dyson.
Prabhupāda: That is inquisitive, jijñāsu. That is there, a class of men, jijñāsu. Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtinaḥ (BG 7.16). They are pious. "Actually what is the truth?" Jijñāsu. And jñānī. Two, third class, fourth class; and two, first class, second class. The first class, second class is jñānī jijñāsu, and third class, fourth class, ārto arthārthī. They approach God. The third class, fourth class, those who are in need of money or in distress and seeking the favor of Kṛṣṇa, they are third class, fourth class. And the jijñāsu and jñānī, they are first class, second class. Inquisitive, they want to know the truth. That is first class. Jijñāsu—"What is that?"—first class. He is second class. And ārto arthārthī, he is in need. If he gets some money, then he forgets God. That's all. His disease is cured. Then finished business. "O God, give us our bread." As soon as I get bread, then finished church.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes people join our movement like that.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the nature. But they are still pious, because they have come to God. And those who are very, very miscreant, they, at any circumstance, they'll never. Dog's obstinacy. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15). They are last class.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Few years ago there was a physicist called Schrodinger, German physicist. He wrote a book called What is Life? for thesis. And he said life could be understood just like physics. Then this Freeman Dyson . . . he's a very renowned scientist in Princeton University. He gave a lecture in our university at Emory about few months ago. And then he was speaking about cosmic manifestations of the universe. And I asked a question about this Schrodinger's approach, saying that Schrodinger is a very well known and Nobel Prize–winning physicist. He stated that life could be understood in terms of physics and chemistry. I asked him, "What do you think about this approach?" His answer was "Schrodinger did not know at that time that the physics of modern science, especially quantum physics, cannot be explained without invoking consciousness." That means life is a different entity than normal physics and chemistry. So they are starting to realize, at least to some extent, that life could be completely different process than was planned about few years ago.
Prabhupāda: So on the whole, they have not come to the platform to know about life. That's all right.