Prabhupāda: Now if they say that the killing means murdering, that means the people amongst whom Christ was preaching, they were accustomed to kill men. So what class of men they are? What was the society? A society of murderers. So what they will understand about religion, a murderer?
(pause) So go further or return?
Jayatīrtha: We should probably turn around now, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (pause) If you're preaching honesty to a thief, you have to be careful that he's not stealing your watch in the meantime.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jayatīrtha: If you're preaching honesty to a thief, he may steal your watch. So Jesus was trying to teach religion to murderers, so they murdered him.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopāya na śāntaye. (aside) Don't come very near. If you advise rascals, they'll be angry. No good result. Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi prakopāya na śāntaye, payaḥ-pānaṁ bhujaṅgānāṁ kevalaṁ viṣa-vardhanam (Hitopadeśa 3.4). So we have to become very strong preacher. Then this movement will stay. If you simply take the temple worship, it will not stay very long. Just like . . .
Hṛdayānanda: Especially the leaders must preach.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Hṛdayānanda: Especially the leaders must preach.
Prabhupāda: And leaders means . . . if the leaders are good, then it will continue.