Prabhupāda: Guru Maharaja, Dr. Mishra, and this and that, they'll go. They'll not go to the real person. The real person is strict. Suppose somebody comes here, if he comes to me, I shall immediately order, "You have to do this." But these rascals, they do not say that. They, "You pay me, and you become perfect." That is their proposal. So your money is very cheap. They pay and flock together. That is going on. That is called sumanda-mataya, misled. Manda, by nature they are rascals, and if they take some path, that is sumanda-mataya, again rascaldom. Why?
Manda-bhāgyā, unfortunate, disturbed. They cannot find out. Therefore real guru has to canvass. This is the position. Short age, alpāyus; they are not going to live for many years, and most of them are unfortunate rascals, and if they are eager to accept a guru, they accept a false guru, and they are materially disturbed. This is the position of the people of this age. So against so many disturbances and counter-facts, we have to preach.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Is it, is it also not the mercy of Kṛṣṇa that He has descended to implicate(?) and . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, therefore guru is called the Kṛṣṇa's mercy-incarnation. Kṛṣṇa's mercy-incarnation is guru. Guru-kṛṣṇa-prasāde pāya bhakti-latā-bīja (CC Madhya 19.151). Kṛṣṇa is so merciful, He's trying to educate from within, and outside He sends His representative to teach. So He's trying to bring all these living entities back to home, back to Godhead. Two ways: from inside and outside. His propaganda is going on. His propaganda is going on.
Govardhana: You are just like the reservoir of mercy, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: No, mercy reservoir is Kṛṣṇa. But we are servant of Kṛṣṇa. We have to abide by His orders. That's all. Real mercy is Kṛṣṇa's. (break)
Prajāpati: . . . in the Bible, there's a story of how some cities named Sodom and Gomorrah became so sinful that the Lord wanted to destroy those cities and everyone in them. Will this be happening again sometime, cities become so sinful they will be just destroyed?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Destruction means sinful. If you become sinful, your body will be destroyed. You'll die out of some disease. Sinful means destruction.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Self-destruction.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Self-destruction.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate . . . (BG 8.19) (break) . . . if somebody dies out of Kṛṣṇa's anger, he also goes to Vaikuṇṭha.
Hṛdayānanda: Lord Nṛsiṁha-deva.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So this Hiraṇyakaśipu's mother, when she understood that his (her) son should be so rogue and then, when she was informed that "After all, your sons will be killed by God," she was very satisfied, "Oh, then it is all right. Never mind." Because she knew, killing by God means he's going to Vaikuṇṭha. Just like cursed by Nārada Muni, Yamala-Arjuna, they saw Kṛṣṇa. By cursing of Nārada, although for some time they had to remain as tree, but still they got the opportunity of seeing Kṛṣṇa.