Hari-śauri: I'm a bit puzzled about this, these entities that are born from perspiration, like that. It seems that there's no father and mother, yet like we were just using the argument that there must be a father and mother.
Prabhupāda: No, there is father and mother. The supreme father is Kṛṣṇa, and mother is nature, ultimately. So perspiration also another form of nature. Yes. There's always father and mother.
Yadubara: There's no material father, though? In that case?
Prabhupāda: Material father is not material. Real father is Kṛṣṇa. He may come in so many ways.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The thing is that the scientists may isolate some cockroaches in a box, and they will watch the cockroaches secrete eggs and this or that or whatever—I don't know exactly how the cockroaches . . .
Prabhupāda: Not . . . give up cockroach. There are many other living entities, they come from perspiration. Take for . . . bugs. Bugs, they come from perspiration. Many, many come by fermentation.
Hari-śauri: Yes, but it seems that form of the bug must come from the form of another bug.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: So it's very difficult to understand how it comes from perspiration.
Prabhupāda: The form is coming directly. Why from another? The form is . . . the birth is coming directly.
Hari-śauri: From the perspiration.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And those who are coming, they will take that form, bug-like form, and drink blood. That is all destined.
Hari-śauri: So just like a spirit soul, say, in a human form.