Guest (2): Let me try to delineate that a little more precisely. I have known people who have said: "Well, yes, you know, I don't like birth, and I don't like death, and I don't like old age. But I have this tremendous driving need, and I don't know how to deal with it. You see, I must have sex, or I must have this. And I'm tormented. I'm stuck in the trap. I'm ensnared." You see? That is the individual I'm . . .
Now if you can already reach the person through jñāna and convince him, and he can act on the decision of his will, then he's obviously already in a high state. But what do you do with the sort of person who is split, who is torn by his instinctual physical needs, and they drive him? You see? And yet he wants to do something. How can you deal with such a person without forcing him to contain himself in such a way that he will resent it? Or must he be allowed to expend his energies until he is convinced by experience?
Prabhupāda: No. Just like amongst our students there are many married couples also, and there are brahmacārīs also. That I have already explained, that one who has got sex desire, he is not barred from this. Yes. He is not barred. Nobody is barred. Simply following some regulation, that will gradually train him.
And the main principle is that as you go on hearing about this transcendental message, then you gradually become attached to these transcendental things. And the more you become attached to these transcendental things, the more you forget these material things.