Prabhupāda: We are speaking, "This is the aim of life." Now if you like, you can take, you'll not take—that depends on your independence. So that independence is all . . . before that independence is there, therefore we are sometimes degrading from this human life to cats' and dogs' life.
So it is the duty of the human society to save the human being to degrade, from becoming again cats and dogs, or to elevate him higher and higher. Does it mean that we are . . . we shall be satisfied with our present stage of life without knowing what we are going to accept? Is that very nice proposal? Or we shall try to elevate the human society, that is higher?
Scholar: Our aim is the same, to elevate the human being, but because of . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: But if aim is same, then you have to accept the means.
Scholar: Yes.
Prabhupāda: If you do not accept the means, simply expecting that our aim is the same will not act. You have to accept the means. That means, it is explained in the next verse, sixty-four: sarva dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66). What is that? Sixty-four?
Scholar: Sixty-four, sarva-guhyatamaṁ bhūyaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
- sarva-guhyatamaṁ bhūyaḥ
- śṛṇu me paramaṁ vacaḥ
- iṣṭo 'si me dṛḍham
- iti tato vakṣyāmi te hitam
- (BG 18.64)