Prabhupāda: Thing is that whatever I have understood about Kṛṣṇa I haven't got to learn from you.
Guest (2): No, you don't have to learn from me.
Prabhupāda: Thank you.
Guest (2): But what you have to learn...
Prabhupāda: No, no, I am not speaking my own views. I have got my ācāryas, my teachers, Rāmānujācārya, Śaṅkarācārya, Madhvācārya. So it is all right. It is all right. I have got so many authorities. What authority you have got?
Guest (2): I am, myself, in my own senses...
Prabhupāda: Now, you are not authority.
Guest (2): I am not but my own...
Prabhupāda: I am following so many authorities. Then... Then there is no question.
Guest (2): I am only...
Prabhupāda: You are yourself authority. Now, if you say my views are not correct, I may be incorrect but I am following the predecessor. I am taking...
Guest (2): What is the difference there? Sir, I accept that.
Guest (2): Hundred per cent, you are very correct in saying what you have just said.
Guest (2): I want to understand that point of view. That is why I have come.
Prabhupāda: But this is the point of understanding. That I have already told you, in the Bhagavad-gītā, that if you want to understand, first of all you have to surrender.
Guest (2): Surrender to whom? Not to the ācāryas but to the...
Prabhupāda: First of all find out whom to surrender, then talk.
Guest (2): ...supreme ācārya
Prabhupāda: That's all right. If you think that you are not fit for my surrender, that's all right. But first of all you find out somebody where you can surrender; then talk.
Guest (1): To jñāna-datta Himself.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's all right. If you surrender and if you get jñāna-datta, that is all right. So far we are concerned, if we do not surrender, if you do not surrender, then you simply waste our time, idle talk. This is not the process.
Guest (1): You have to treat the person with...
Guest (2): For seeking knowledge from him.
Prabhupāda: But you are not seeking knowledge. You have come to challenge it. You have come to challenge.
Guest (2): No, no, no... (several Indian men talk at once)
Prabhupāda: Now, you are saying that Kṛṣṇa says that incorporeal. But Kṛṣṇa says that "Anyone who thinks that I am incorporeal, that he is a fool."
Guest (1): Quite right. Lord Kṛṣṇa as such, if anybody calls Him incorporeal, he's a fool.
Guest (1): Because He has a body, He has taken birth from Devaki. And incorporeal does not...
Prabhupāda: Therefore the Kṛṣṇa says that one has to understand that what is Kṛṣṇa's birth. Janma karma me divyam yo jānāti tattvataḥ. So that tattvataḥ is not yo. Anyone who knows Kṛṣṇa actually, he becomes immediately liberated. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya (BG 4.9). Anyone simply who understands Kṛṣṇa, he becomes immediately liberated. If you understood Kṛṣṇa correctly, then you are liberated person. You have nothing to ask from me.
Guest (2): It is what...
Prabhupāda: No, that's all. Then you are liberated person. You have nothing to ask from me. I am for those who are conditioned, but you are liberated, so you have nothing to ask from me.
Guest (4): Rest of us, we persons, go.
Prabhupāda: Then you are liberated; you have nothing to go. If you are liberated, then you have nothing to seek, knowledge.
Guest (5): Thank you for listening. Time and place. He's already said that.
Prabhupāda: Yes. If you are liberated, you have nothing to go anywhere because you know everything.
Guest (2): May I again submit with the honor that you have bestowed on me of having said that I am already liberated according to the version of Gītā...
Prabhupāda: If you have understood Kṛṣṇa, then you are liberated.