Bhāgavata: Can you tell us some things about Lord Rāmacandra's activities, today being Rāma-Navamī?
Prabhupāda: Now, you can . . . some of you can speak about Lord Rāmacandra. No? Dr. Patel, you can speak something about . . .
Dr. Patel: About what?
Bhāgavata: Lord Rāmacandra's activities. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . tarān niyamena tiṣṭhan. (break) God is not obliged to accept your direction. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: God will not oblige the brāhmaṇas unfortunately. He'll oblige only the kṣatriyas. I don't know why.
Prabhupāda: Because He comes: paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām (BG 4.8). That is kṣatriya's business. Sadhu ko protection dena aur badmas maardena jaan se. (Give protection to sadhu and kill the ruffians.) This is kṣatriya's business. God has got two business: paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām. If you want to prove nonviolence from Bhagavad-gītā, it is difficult. (laughs) It is not possible. He says that, "I have got two business: paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām, dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya . . ." Unless these two things are there, there cannot be establishment of real law and order. (break) . . . everywhere, law and order. In spiritual also. Unless there is law and order, it is chaos. Law and order must be there.
Dr. Patel: Society came into existence after the evolution of the civilization.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Dr. Patel: Society came into existence after the evolution of the proper civilization. Before, when . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . civilization begins when the society is organized. Otherwise, it's cats' and dogs' civilization. That is not civilization