Sudāmā: . . . Prabhupāda, either of those associations, which is the highest?
Prabhupāda: Both are equal.
Sudāmā: Both are equal?
Prabhupāda: You have to associate with both. Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja (CC Madhya 19.151). Both guru's kṛpā and Kṛṣṇa's kṛpā, they must be joined. Then you will get. (break)
Jayādvaita: We're very eager to get that guru-kṛpā.
Prabhupāda: Who?
Jayādvaita: We are. All of us.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ. If you get guru's kṛpā, then automatically you get Kṛṣṇa.
Nārāyaṇa: Guru-kṛpā only comes by pleasing the spiritual master, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Otherwise how?
Nārāyaṇa: Excuse me?
Prabhupāda: Otherwise how it can come?
Nārāyaṇa: So those disciples who don't have opportunity to see you or speak with you . . .
Prabhupāda: That he was speaking, vāṇī and vapuḥ. Even if you don't see his body, you take his word, vāṇī.
Nārāyaṇa: But how do they know they're pleasing you, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: If you actually follow the words of guru, that means he is pleased. And if you do not follow, how he can be pleased?
Sudāmā: Not only that, but your mercy is spread everywhere, and if we take advantage, you told us once, then we will feel the result.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jayādvaita: And if we have faith in what the guru says, then automatically we'll do that.
Prabhupāda: Yes. My Guru Mahārāja passed in 1936, and I started this movement in 1965, thirty years after. Then? I am getting the mercy of guru. This is vāṇī. Even the guru is not physically present, if you follow the vāṇī, then you are getting help.
Sudāmā: So there's no question of ever separation as long as the disciple follows the instruction of guru.