Indian man (1): He is my eldest grandson. Here is another man, Subhoda.
Prabhupāda: He is subhoda and abodha. (laughter)
Indian man (1): Yes, subodha, suvrata.
Prabhupāda: Subhoda (Hindi) avatāra.
Indian man (1): He has described God. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Do you know what is God? Do you know?
Indian man (1): Do you know what is God or not?
Boy: I want to know.
Prabhupāda: You want to know? Do you know the meaning of the God? Then how you are asking what is God? If I say something wrong, how you'll understand if you do not know? Suppose you go to purchase something, "Give me gold," and if he gives you iron, then what you'll do? You do not know what is God, gold. You must know first of all what is God. Then you ask. If you do not know, then you'll be cheated. That is going on. That is going on.
Indian man (1): Mahārāja, but there must be somebody to say that "this is gold and this is iron."
Prabhupāda: Yes, that means requires a superior education. Yes. The father, mother should be responsible...
Indian man (1): So who can be a greater than your Divine Grace?
Prabhupāda: No, no. The father, father... The first thing is that why do you send your sons to the school? It is duty that he should know. So if the father is a rascal, then how the son can be subodha? (laughter) Therefore the śāstra says that unless you can train your son to overcome this process of birth, death, old..., you don't become a father. You remain a rascal. Don't beget children. This is contraception. Pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syāt na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum. The real problem is mṛtyu. But they have taken it that "It is ordinary." But nobody wants to die. The education is na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). But who knows that I do not die after the destruction of the body? Then why I am put into this position that I have to change this body, I have to die? This question does not arise. Therefore they're abodha. The instruction is na jāyate na mriyate vā kadācit na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre. There is no inquiry that "If I'm not born, why I am born in this body?" This is question. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. "If I am not subjected to death, then why I am dying?" This question does not arise at all. Therefore everyone is abodha-jāto. Nobody is subodha. Everyone is abodha. The problem is there, but he does not inquire.