Brahmānanda: But by our technology we will change the laws of nature.
Prabhupāda: That is your foolishness. What you have changed? Can you stop the fire burning your hand? Can you change this? Then why you talk foolish? These are foolish propositions. Nature will act. You may be so-called advanced in science—what is, your science will do? Will you not die? Will you not be diseased? Will you not become old? Then where is your advancement? You are strictly under the laws of nature. You cannot violate a single inch even. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). One sane man should consider that "Why I am strictly under the laws of nature? I am prime . . ." This question was put by Sanātana Gosvāmī, that "I am prime minister. People adore me as paṇḍita, very learned, but why I am put into these tribulations of the laws of nature? Why as prime minister and learned paṇḍita I cannot counteract it?" This is real question. Simply doggish mentality: "Yes, why shall I not do it? Why shall I?"—what will benefit you? That means you are not even sober. You are not human being. Human being should question "Why?" That is human being. Now by nature's law the river is full with water. If the nature does not supply, what you can do, your so-called science? Can you fill up with water? Then what is your science? Bogus. You cannot counteract the laws of nature. Hmm? Can you?
Devotee: No.
Prabhupāda: (laughing) Brahmānanda can. (laughter) He is strong enough. Kartikeya, you can do it?
Kartikeya: No, I can't do it.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Kartikeya: We depend upon nature, so we can't counteract.
Prabhupāda: It is not possible. It is all foolishness.
Kartikeya: We can go this small park.
Harikeśa: It's a nice park?
Kartikeya: Yes.
Harikeśa: We go through?
Kartikeya: We can go through.
Prabhupāda: Now these rascal Westerners, there the women claiming equal rights. Change that the man will give birth to a child and not the woman.
Kartikeya: Equal right.
Prabhupāda: Equal rights. Make agreement: "Once you beget; once I shall." (laughs) Make this contract. Then it is equal right. If the woman has to give birth to a child and she has to suffer all the pains thereof, then where is the equal right? Eh? Where is equal right? Nature has said, "You must suffer." The husband, the so-called husband, will give birth, er, will utilize you for sex satisfaction, and you will be pregnant, and he will go away and you will suffer the whole life to maintain the child, welfare—"Give me some money"—or this or that. Where is equal right? He is free. He has gone away. Huh? This is general experience in the Western countries.